Question for the AP guys

[Mr J]

"Thats one version, there are many others" >>> Very correct. As I understand it (but dont agree) EVERY method played other than AP, is gamblers fallacy. WOW, I really dont even know what to say. Rarely am I at a loss for words but 'these guys' truely believe it. You know the saying....its not a lie if you believe it.  Ken

[Steve]

Gambler's Fallacy is a very broad term - as far as I know there is no Oxford dictionary definition. There are countless misconceptions about gambling. Sure you have the most common one about something being "due", but it certainly isnt the only misconception/fallacy around.

So to re-word it a little, AP (long term) is the ONLY winning way to beat roulette. Ken

That's like asking "so the only way to beat roulette is by beating roulette?"

As for "long term", this is thousands of spins and more. Sure you can win over 20-30 spins, with either luck or AP, but to know if your winnings are due to luck or AP, you realistically need to test over the long term. Can you realistically determine the effectiveness of any method over 20-30 spins? Even if you win over 10,000 spins, there is still the potential for winning with mere luck. Simply the more spins you win over, the less likely the success is due to luck.

[Steve]

Ken if I asked you:

"Is there any way to beat roulette other than a method that works?"

This is the same as asking:

"Is there any way to beat roulette other than AP?"

Again, AP = method that works. If your method legitimately wins, then it is AP.

You appear to be set on thinking AP is something else. Sure though, the typical context in which AP is referred to is something like VB / bias analysis. Just remember, in a broad context, AP = any method that works.

[Spike!]

Gambler's Fallacy is a very broad term - as far as I know there is no Oxford dictionary definition. There are countless misconceptions about gambling.>>>

Exactly the point I've been making. And many take the misconceptions as law, thats the goofy part..

[Spike!]

@Spike: What a retarded avatar, as usual.>>

So retarded that the US Supreme court has upheld gun rights for the states and says its legal to own a handgun in every state. Nothing retarded about it, its called the right to bear arms and protect yourself and what you own.

[Mr J]

I agree Spike but not real thrilled of the law in Chicago.  Ken

[mistarlupo]

LOL, is this some kind of advertisement of your country guys? There has been a wide campaign recently about the mighty USA. No offense but it's not the pensions queue here, fellas. Can you continue with your political debates/propaghanda in private, please?

[Herb6]

Spike,

Generally I consider you to be somone of low moral fiber, but I must say...

I LIKE YOUR AVATAR SHOWING,  FREE PEOPLE OWN GUNS, SLAVES DON'T.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Me's gonna shoot me some pigs and rape some nuns ands rob de liquor store and roll me truck ................ a nice quiet evening in Kentucky........

[Mr J]

I'm saying, I DON'T agree with the NEW law in Chicago.  No one allowed to own a firearm (in broad terms).  Ken

[GriellianMonk]

Advantage Play is a very broad term.  For roulette, AP is basically any legitimate method to beat roulette.  If you had something entirely new that was not VB or bias analysis, if it legitimately wins in the long term, then it can be considered AP.  You can basically say AP = legitimate method.  Ken, if your method legitimately beats roulette in the long term, you would be an Advantage Player.

A style of betting that is not related to AP and not GF. . .  there is no such thing.  If a method loses, it is based on GF. . .  assuming the player actually expects to win in the long term.  If a method legitimately wins in the long term, then it is AP.

It also depends on the context in which a term such as AP is used though.  Typically AP refers to finding flaws in a game that make game outcomes more predictable.  A perfect example is finding wheels with a good dominant diamond, then using VB.

The physical players using ballistics are close, but they are missing such a huge part of the picture by focusing more on the physical Energy.  Why focus on just on the steering wheel when the drive shaft, engine, tires, etc.  all work together to put the car in its appropriate direction.  Concentration on one energy source while ignoring all others is the biggest fallacy of them all.  You will never learn to win this way.

[Spike!]

Concentration on one energy source while ignoring all others is the biggest fallacy of them all.  You will never learn to win this way. >>

So how do you determine where to place the next bet?

[GriellianMonk]

The next bet is placed where it SHOULD be placed.

[GriellianMonk]

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