Clearing something up

[Steve]

I was asked about something forester posted about my methods. I havent read it all and wont until I get back but will state the following:

1. Players learn far more than traditional AP, VB etc. The scope of what you learn is far beyond what you learn elsewhere.

2. For methods with bets before ball release there is observation of far more than just winning number. forester just doesn't know much about what I teach but likes to think he knows it all. My system gets a higher advantage than any of his computers where conditions are changing, as they do in reality. he wouldnt have the vaguest how. Typically initial analysis of a wheel is 300 spins per direction - done once per wheel. You can do 100 spins per direction, but not as thorough. Calibration for changing conditions takes far fewer spins - much more effective than forester's methods of "not at all", or "assuming conditions stay the same". How it is done is something only more established players would know.

I dont have time to get into more detail and dont want to release that information publicly anyway. soon after I'm back I'll tie a few loose ends. forester is smarter than most people but his assumptions, and arrogance, ego mixed with incredible BS and exaggerations really lets him down.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Looking at your methods (yes the 3 versions that was all displayed publicly), the ones you sold or $2K. There is no way in hell that those systems can or will give you an advantage. It falls under the same category "why systems do not work" You want to claim that it gives a better advantage than Forester's computers. That is BS and you know it.

It is a real real pity that this forum now has become another cheap outlet for you to attack competitors.

I have chatted to a couple of guys that have bought your system. They all say it's BS. Those are just the facts.

Apparently if it doesn't work it is always the player's fault. They didn't take the correct amount of spins or they applied the system wrong, they didn't understand the system and so on and so on. I know you can ban me in a heartbeat and I'm sure it won't be long before you do. The fact remains is that the system is BS and yet you still get away with it. Amazing. Truly amazing. And for that I take my hat off to you.

[Mr J]

I deleted the last post, not Steve.  Ken

[Steve]

Jakk you really dont know what you're talking about, but stay ignorant. You are referring to the primordial variant which was published here, and I let it be here because it is only the basics.

[Kelly]

The problem wit tracking lage spin samples is that it might not precise enough when you start playing the wheel. The tracking might consist of wheel speeds between 2.9 - 4.5 sec rotor speeds maybe even with 2 - 3 different ball types.  The profile for a 2.9 sec wheel speed with a teflon ball is different from a 4.5 sec wheel with a  acetal or phenolic ball type.  The average of whatever you track would only by coincident match current conditions when you start playing.

[Steve]

Kelly: the larger samples are to establish pattern types. Actual patterns are different and constantly evolve. For example, you may take 300 spins with segregated data. which may not even be used fully. For actual play, you calibrate and may only use 20 or so spins before actual betting commences. Roulette is extremely dynamic and my methods incorporate this. Correlation charts is one thing, and with typical AP they are the end part. With what I do, it is the starting point and I work the opposite direction. The very nature of my methods are dynamic - one thing affects another affects another etc. The system is more of a hands-on approach. The roulette computers do it all automatically.

Jakk:

1. I'm tired of your unprovoked attacks against me - you are entitled to your opinions, but your unprovoked attacks go beyond what is acceptable for any member. As I said in another thread where you attacked me again, you always seem to have something to say about me. Attack me elsewhere.

2. Sure you may know 3 of my players.. that have never spoken to me in my life and havent the vaguest idea what they purchased. There are many of my players at this and other forums - most never reveal that as per the contracts because they are happy with what they have learned. There are also people like clothdog, who first said I was a scammer, then later publicly apologized here and stated I was not a scammer, he did profit with even just my basic methods, but found he didnt want to dedicate the time. If you recall he made a public apology. He wouldnt be the first player to at first call me a scammer then later apologize. I respect him for that because most people in his position would be too concerned about how they would look, instead of just being honest.

3. If you really think that rather me be honest, that ronjo was just incompetent and I tricked him somehow.. perhaps do more research.

[Steve]

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