Omniwiz System… Dozens and Columns with Sweet Spot

[paul2010]

And here is the arcticle in the national papers in the uk....

nolinks://nolinks.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218061/In-money-Gambler-banned-UK-casinos-winning-28-000-using-secret-system.html

[Mike]

paul2010,

The system is I believe posted on this forum somewhere. Please don't spend £100 on the book, the system is worthless. 

[paul2010]

Thanks mike, on the off chance do you know whats its posted under. I am curious about this system.... Thanks again 

[Omniwiz]

Ok.  I think it's time to get to the "heart" of the matter here Mike, and I would like to address ALL system bashers here.  I am not going to refute ANYTHING you have to say because I'm done with arguing, and it's always proven non-productive.

To Mike, and all you System Bashers, (SB's or I prefer SoB's) I want to tell you something.  I want to make it plain, why there is so much upset in these forums, in a way that you can understand, and WHY your approach to what so many others are trying to do is WRONG.  Even if you are 100% correct, in every statement you have ever made.  I thought that Extreme Off Roading, and Roulette might have a lot in common, so I will use Extreme Off Roading as a comparative example here, in the hopes that you might finally comprehend...here goes.

Here's what Roulette and Extreme Off Roading has in Common:

1.    There's a great deal of interest by the participants in each category. 
2.    Both types of participants want to make it to the TOP.
3.    Can be extremely risky.
4.    Can be extremely dangerous.
5.    Can be looked upon by others as a 'dumb' thing to do.
6.    Can be VERY expensive.
7.    Other paths can be pursued to "Get to the Top" without using either approach.
8.    There's a LOVE of the game, by the participants, one set of players, the Challenge of Roulette, the other participants, the Challenge of the Sport...

So now, both types of participants have a Forum set up, to discuss their journey.  Notice I say JOURNEY here, because in either category, there's no GUARANTEE of having a successful destination on any given day.  In both forums, the participants are usually talking about the VEHICLE they are using.  In one forum, they are talking about a 4 wheel drive, the "Physics" of a particular brand of tire they intend to use on an attempt on a particular terrain.  In the other Forum, they are talking about a 4 progression VEHICLE, (i. e.  SYSTEM) and how the "Physics" might work in a particular terrain.  There's really going to be not much difference.  Nevertheless, even between these two groups of people, a percentage of Off-Roaders are going to think the one group is 'dumb' for trying to be successful in their endeavor, and a percentage of Roulette players are going to think that Off-Roading, is a 'dumb' thing to try to be successful at.  In either case, the participants believe that their endeavor is a worthy pursuit.  And they develop a close-knit community to support and help one another in their chosen JOURNEY.

Then along comes a guy named MIKE.  Now Mike is an intelligent guy, and because of his experiences as a driver, and as a computer programmer, has a gift for both understanding probabilities, and the physics involved in negotiating a hill.  He is welcomed by both forums, because there is strength in numbers, and everyone will accept his help, if it gets their vehicle to where they want to go.  He enters each forum, and at the time, there is a lot of camaraderie, everyone is honestly trying to help each other succeed.  The Spirit of Community has already been born.  Even though EVERYONE in both groups knows that there could be more intelligent things to do, and ALREADY KNOW, the inherent risks involved, each participant LOVES the challenge they have chosen. 

Mike introduces himself.  Then lets everyone know he has gifts to offer.  Everyone says "Hi", and waits.  The Ultimate Challenge is to beat Mogul Hill in one forum.  The other Forum, the challenge is to beat the Casino.  Mike has Never beaten Mogul Hill, and Mike has Never beaten the Casino.  There are rumors around that "somebody" has beaten Mogul Hill.  Mike doubts that, because there were no verified pictures available.  There are rumors around that "somebody" has beaten the Casino.  Mike doubts that too, because he's never been able to do it himself.  So Mike understands that failure is the only option.  He remembers all the frustration, and failure he had in trying to get his 4X4 up to the top of one hill in the back 40, and how he was stuck for nearly a day before digging himself out.  He remembers the 4,000 hours and $4,000 he lost trying to win at the wheel.  His love of both pursuits has been broken.  So now, the only way to be helpful is to remind everyone of the pain and loss that will occur in either of these two attempts, as HIS experience has shown that he couldn't win. . .

Because he doesn't know where else to go, and maybe just maybe, there's some hope he can end his feelings of unworthiness, he hangs around an off-road qualifying event.  A driver has chosen the wrong ridge to try to get to the top.  Mike knows this, and because of his close proximity, runs over to the driver, and this driver assumes Mike's a friend, a part of the community.  But Mike says. . . "Well, George, you idiot! Anyone can see you had no chance by taking the side on the left.  I have proven by my gifts in telemetry, kinetic energy, and computer mathematics, you were doomed to fail! What's wrong with you? You don't have enough horsepower to beat Mogul Hill anyways, so why bother? And if you did, just the extra weight of the engine, would also be your demise.  Why don't you just give it up you fool?!" George is hurt.  He lashes back at Mike.  "I thought you came out here to help! Could you pull up with your vehicle and help winch me out?" Mike blurts back. . . "Why bother? You are going to fail anyways, so just leave the wreck here, and you'll be better off, trust me.  I know. " Then Mike kicks George in the ass.  Now Mike in some strange way feels good about himself. . .

In the meantime, an engine builder has designed a super-light, high horsepower engine that could be used in Off-Roading.  He's pretty sure he can make the difference in getting George's vehicle to the top of Mogul Hill, but there's always some doubt.  The engine builder hears about Mike's tirade, George's sore ass and how Mike had broken George's love for Off-Roading and is thinking of giving up the sport.  The Engine Builder was serious about joining that community, but knows Mike's still there, and who needs the hassle? He doesn't join the community. . .  Later on, it's discovered that his engine design has made Mogul Hill a simple challenge. . .

So, this is what the Mikes, and other SoB's do to a community.  The basis of most Forums, is not the end result, but the Journey.  There's a Spirit, and a Love that's involved.  It might sound airy-fairy, and taboo to be talked about, but this is the "HEART" of the matter.  Whenever a point of DIVISION occurs in a community, it can be considered a CRIMINAL act.  Whenever someone inserts division, and tries to Divide the SPIRIT and LOVE of a community, it NEEDS to be considered a CRIMINAL ACT.  If there are too many criminals around, a community will fall.  It cannot stand.  There might not be any structured laws right now in society that deals with this poison.  But when anyone honestly considers the "Spirit of the Law" the only truthful conclusion is that the Mike's and Jean-Clauds are CRIMINALS.  They insert division, and propagate it.  Society usually polices these sorts, and sends them to 'jail' (banned) or Rehab.  If the Love and Spirit is no longer there for that community, there's certainly no point in keeping them in the community.  There are many others where they can choose to fit in.  It's just the right thing to do.

So, anyways that's what I have to say.  And if I haven't said it plain enough, I'll say it like this.  Whether any system we use to try and win, will work, or absolutely not, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAYS! That's what we LOVE to do.  Now deal with it.

Cheers!


Omniwiz 

[hermes]

When he cannot make money on roulette at least makes some on the book. He will not reveal the system in the book and if than only partially. The lesson learned is as always: Don't bring the attention of the casino to your play! If the idiot would be satisfied with around $800/evening and changing casinos nobody would notice him. Greed has cost him money! I don't feel pity for him. Everybody has to pay price for stupidity.
Greed makes many blind and deaf.
Hermes

P.S. Bargain Sequential Roulette for $25.  nolinks://nolinks.highstakes.co.uk/shop/product.php/12615/0/
Enjoy

[Omniwiz]

Absolutely true Hermes!

I learned that the hard way myself.  Back in the winter of 2000-2001, I had invented a baccarat system.  Then I played it online at 888. com.  I was pretty happy when on the first day of flat-betting, I had run the total up to over $800 from an $80 banKroll, playing $1 a hand.  And as online gaming was not as well known as it is now, I didn't realize that winning hour after hour after hour, was going to cost me.  They certainly had to turn off the Win button, as for a stretch of 150 hands I didn't win once! Not once.  I guess I got greedy, as there was NO OTHER POSSIBLE explanation for losing that many times in a row.  If I played both sides, I could see where I Would Have Won, but when money was placed on one side only, it would lose.  Unreal.  It ended up, it reset itself, after I lost everything, and used only the comp points to start over.  I quickly ran it up to around $350 using a second system, and cashed out.  I've never sent another penny to any online casino since.

Now of course everyone knows to limit the time in their sessions online.  But, I also know that the patterns were all I had to go on to win like that.  It also worked in B and M casinos, and I ended up playing there only.  So when someone says you can't win betting patterns, and trends and the like, I know they are full of it.  It was maybe how I tracked it, that made it profitable.  To this day, I have seen nobody repeat the system I used to win at Baccarat.  Yet you know, it's a lot like the original hair-pin.  The guy that put the crinkles in the hairpin, became a millionaire! LOL.

Cheers!

Omniwiz

[Mike]

Omniwiz,

All you've posted is long-winded, rambling way of repeating the same old mantra: "you can't win so you bash others who claim they can". You could have actually addressed the points I raised in my previous post, that would likely have resulted in a more interesting discussion. I can only assume that you didn't refute anything I said because you don't know how to.  Ah well, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. You don't even seem to realise that my feelings on the matter are entirely irrelevant; what matters is the merit of the argument itself, not my motivation for putting it forward.

And I have to say, your picture of this forum (or any roulette/gambling forum) as a cosy little nest of friendly fellows all eager to share their systems in a collective bid to defeat the big bad casinos strikes me as incredibly naive. The casino is merely a middle-man - they provide the games and take a cut, but ultimately every winning player takes money from other players. The number of members who actually post in these forums is a far lower proportion of the membership than in a forum on, say, extreme off roading. Most are here just looking for ideas or in the hope that someone will post a winning system. Sorry if I sound cynical, but that's how it is.

I'm getting a bit bored here now anyway, so you'll probably be pleased to hear I won't be posting much, if at all.

Good Luck.

[Omniwiz]

Hi Mike.

Sorry if you thought I was seeing you as a nail that needed to be hammered.  That's not it at all.  You were right about one thing.  I was kinda hoping a person with your gifts and abilities would possibly do a viability test on the system I presented.  I would have accepted the cold hard data, and I would have considered you a true friend.  Instead, you came in entirely sure of it's eventual failure, without first showing any sort of kindness or respect, which by the way, are higher forms of intelligence, then you are now presently expressing.   From there, further development of the system, or scrapping it would have made my journey with it much clearer.  But, that can't happen, when your true goal, it would appear, is to do an unwarranted, unasked for Intervention, to save all the naïve people from themselves.  Maybe the long ramble I wrote for you has made the point.  It appears you understand you don't belong here, and not everyone is unaware of the huge challenge that's been accepted, even if 'Your" empirical evidence doesn't even support the challenge.   Nevertheless, I would like to help you down the road.  There's a system available that WILL make a guy with your talents, EXTREMELY wealthy, within weeks and certainly in a few short months.  Now, I could do that easily, as well.  But, my HEART isn't into it.  Understand? No gambling involved at all and no big costs involved either.   In exchange, I would like to kindly ask you to run a viability test on this system, let's say for 3000 spins, with progressions placed at XWcross, and at XXWcross, and then report.  After that, I will PM you the details on your possible new future.  In the meantime, NO OTHER posts from you, anywhere on the board, that doesn't have the qualities of kindness, and respect included in them...

Well, Mike.  Deal, or No Deal?

Whatever you choose, is fine.  If I don't hear from you, I would like to wish you all the best of luck, in your next chosen adventure, with whatever challenge you decide to take on next.  I am sure you will do well.

Cheers!

Omniwiz

[Killroy Gentz]

U do NOT know anything about APlaying.
So u can t have an opinion on it....

And yes ur system isn t even a system.

Who made you God? Are you Clairvoyant? How do you know he does not know AP? Are you a pro and specialist? How do you suggest that this is not a system? Oh wait, I see. You just had to say something. Ok I forgive you. Go sit in the corner and be quiet now. Thank you son.

Killroy was here

I also want that low-cost sure win no gamble get rich in a week or two or a month or two at most system! I'm sure I'll be into it! Or I will learn to get into it! 

[Mike]

Hi Mike.

Sorry if you thought I was seeing you as a nail that needed to be hammered.  That's not it at all.  You were right about one thing.  I was kinda hoping a person with your gifts and abilities would possibly do a viability test on the system I presented.  I would have accepted the cold hard data, and I would have considered you a true friend.  Instead, you came in entirely sure of it's eventual failure, without first showing any sort of kindness or respect, which by the way, are higher forms of intelligence, then you are now presently expressing.   

Ok Omniwiz, I'll write a program to test your system, I was actually thinking about doing that anyway, to show you that it can't possibly work, but then I thought "what's the point?" this is just one system, it won't undermine your belief that there remain systems as yet undiscovered which WILL win.

How many systems do you have to see fail before it dawns that NO system can win? 50? 100? 1000? When I first started writing programs to test my ideas, I was pretty sure that I could find SOMETHING that would work. I lost count of how many programs I wrote, but it was well over 100. And many of these simulated "families" of systems which cycled through many parameters testing each one. For instance, I wrote a program which simulated a system which waited for X spins, then bet Y numbers for Z spins, with X, Y, and Z taking various numbers from between 1 to 50. If you do the math, you'll realise that's a helluva lot of systems. I also tested a huge number of progressions and money-management schemes, pattern betting, waiting for "opportunities", using separate banks to recoup, using "triggers" like standard deviation etc. You name it, I tried it. The final results were ALWAYS the same: -2.7%

Now, I'm not saying that it necessarily follows that because you fail many times it means that you will NEVER succeed, after all, didn't Edison perform over 1000 experiments before he invented the light bulb? According to you and others, I am a quitter - I haven't found a system which works, therefore I'm a bitter and twisted loser who is simply attacking others who claim they win, out of jealousy.

But wait. Wasn't it a little strange that the results ALWAYS converged on the same figure, namely -2.7%? Think about it, if there was the possibility that some systems could do better than others - and therefore the possibility of a WINNING system existing - don't you think the results would show a little more variability? What a strange coincidence that -2.7% is exactly what the math predicts! 

You talk about "kindness and respect", but even if I had the time and inclination to do it, are people best served by me writing endless computer programs which show that system after system will fail, when I can cut to the chase and tell them just to look at the math?

You really don't have to do the work I did before realising that all empirical results will be as the theory predicts. No computer simulations are necessary. Even the math isn't really necessary.

Look, if I said to you "let's play a game in which I flip a coin and you try to guess which side comes up next - heads or tails. When you guess correctly, I pay you 95 cents, but if you get it wrong, you pay me $1". Would you not immediately protest that this was not a fair game, and that you wouldn't be able to win? would it not be intuitively obvious that the longer you played this game, the more money you would lose?

Your intuition (common sense) is correct. When you ignore it, the endless world of roulette systems becomes possible.

[atlantis]

Mike wrote:

Your intuition (common sense) is correct. When you ignore it, the endless world of roulette systems becomes possible

Mike does make some good points. Thanks for the gentle reminder, Mike
However, I would venture to argue that "intuition" is a little more than normal objective reasoning and commonsense as we ordinarily think of it...
Intuition seems functioning at a higher level of consciousness and brings us that sudden "hunch" or flash of inspiration that can also turn out to be prophetic in nature. I personally have experienced this phenomenon in my life at times and also during the game of roulette on a few occasions...
Imagine if we could learn to develop it and harness this "inner vision" capability and have it serve us beneficially.
Surely this is a wonderful world of exploration and worthy avenue of investigation which will open up further and grow during this 21st century of progress and wonders?

A.

[Omniwiz]

Ok Omniwiz, I'll write a program to test your system.   

Cool.   

Omniwiz    

Atlantis, good post.  )

[Omniwiz]

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