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Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 07, 2011, 12:23:54 AM
Don't think that because this system is simple to play that it's not a winner.  Test it and you'll be surprised.

I have tested this for 3 sessions of 100+ units and only had to bet more than 10 units 1 time and that was up to 13 units.  That means I've never been more than -100 units in the hole.  In one of these sessions I had 2 sets of 3 zeros in a row and another 15 zeros to boot.  It still overcame it.  Granted, I was in the hole for a while a couple of times, but the hit rate was enough to pull back out.

This is soooo simple and effective, that I'm surprised none of us have thought of it before now.  Or, maybe someone did and they decided not to publish it for the rest of us to benefit from.

Here's the way I play it.  

I bet on an even chance and if I win, I bet what's on the table on 2 dozens.  
If I win within the 1st 5 bets, I start over because I will be ahead or even.  I go into +1 on loss and -2 on win from the 6th bet on.  Anytime I'm at a new high, I reset to 1 unit.

Example:  I bet 1 unit on Red.  Red spins so I win 1 unit.  I now have 2 units on the table so I split them between 2 dozens and bet 1 unit on each dozen.  If I win, I have won 2 units, 1 on the even chance bet and 1 on the 2 dozens bet, so I start over.

Example:  I bet 1 unit on Red and lose.  I bet 2 units on Red and lose.  I bet 3 units on Red and lose.  I bet 4 units on Red and win.  I now bet 4 units on the last 2 dozens.  If I win I will be up 2 units so I start over at 1 unit.
If I lose on the two dozens, I will go on to bet 5 units on an even chance, etc...

Example:  I have lost my 1st 7 bets.  Very rare, but it does happen.  I bet 8 units on Red and win so I bet 8 units on the last 2 dozens and win.  Losing the 1st 7 bets puts me down 28 units for this attack.  Winning on the 8th bet nets me 16 units.  That leaves me still down 12 units.  I drop back to the 6 unit bet on an even chance.  If I win the even chance bet and also the 2 dozens bet, I will net 12 units which will make me even so I will start over at 1 unit.

Bet Selection:  I play for the color to change when betting on the even chance.  If I get 2 of the same color in a row, I bet for the color to continue.  Betting the color before last is almost the same and will work just as well.  I always bet the last 2 dozens to show so I don't bet a sleeper.  The only thing I tweak is that if a dozen has hit 5 times in a row, I bet the other 2 dozens.  But, upiu can use your own Even Chance and double dozen selection process.

Okay,  that should give you enough info to understand the basic principle behind the bet selection to be able to play the system.

This is a consistent winner.  I know it has a sequence from hell, but I haven't run into it yet.  I'm hoping that it doesn't come up often enough to take back everything.

Why does this work so well.  Because winning on an Even Chance and then on 2 dozens happens more often than winning on 2 even chances in a row.

If you have any questions, I'm ready.

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 07, 2011, 01:40:50 AM
Just won another 50 units.  Largest bet was 8 units on an even chance.

I know it could be just luck.  I've seen it go for quite a while before the losers start coming in.

With about a 150 unit stop loss, I think this may be very safe.

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 07, 2011, 08:14:58 AM
GLC,

Method  sounds  good. With ONE slight modification  You can INCREASE  the Winnings  and REDUCE  losses.

This way you ELIMINATE the luck factor.

With this modification my last 12 casino trips from Nov 23 /2010-thru  Jan 5 / 2011 were all WINNERS .

N.D.
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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 07, 2011, 08:58:58 AM

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 07, 2011, 11:10:04 AM
N.D.,

Good observation.  I will give it test drive.  You're right about safe-guarding your bankroll.  I'm so focused on negative progressions that I sometimes overlook the safer method.

Bombus,

I have tried the idea of starting on the 2dozens with decent success.  This other way around seems to generate more wins in fewer spins and has a higher hit rate.  At least on the spins I have gotten so far.

I haven't even considered taking another 2 steps, but I like the 9 chances to hit 4 wins in a row since 2 of them are 2:1 wins.  Definitely worth testing.

Thanks to both of you,

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 09, 2011, 02:10:46 PM
GEORGE: It seems a very beautiful system.It is not a HG . So you must calculate your risk.Your win- chance is only 31,5%.
The profit of every winning spin is 2;3;6;2;-0;-3;-7 etc.. Spin 5 you play even and after spin 5 the lost will decrease.The other question is ,which even chance and which dozens do you bet.There is absolute no correlation between the ECs and  the dozens.There is a possibility to intergrate ECs and dozen strategies in your model, but that makes it much complex.

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 09, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
GEORGE: It seems a very beautiful system.It is not a HG . So you must calculate your risk.Your win- chance is only 31,5%.
The profit of every winning spin is 2;3;6;2;-0;-3;-7 etc.. Spin 5 you play even and after spin 5 the lost will decrease.The other question is ,which even chance and which dozens do you bet.There is absolute no correlation between the ECs and  the dozens.There is a possibility to intergrate ECs and dozen strategies in your model, but that makes it much complex.

Schoenpoetser,

I'm afraid your math is over my head.  I don't understand your statement "profit of every winning spin is 2,3,6,2,etc..."

Sorry, I'm mathematically challenged when it get above basic stuff.

The way I have been playing it is to bet on the last color to spin and if I win, I bet on the last 2 dozens to spin.

I have tested it with a flat bet without good results so I think the progression either negative or positive.  I haven't tried ND's suggestion to use a positive progression yet.

I have finally run into a series from hell and reached my 100 unit stop loss.  It's to be expected though.  I'm not discouraged by any means.  I'll need to see a lot more bad sessions close together to do that.

If you have any suggestions on how to improve our odds of hitting our e.c. or 2 dozens, all of us on the forum are anxiously waiting to read it.

Thanks,

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 10, 2011, 01:19:53 PM
Perhaps I don`t understand  your bettigschedule.If you have a hit on the fifth turn of the session the total bet is 15 units .The pay out is 3x5 =15 units,so the profit is 0. Betschedule on the EC is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7.

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 10, 2011, 10:18:53 PM
Perhaps I don`t understand  your bettigschedule.If you have a hit on the fifth turn of the session the total bet is 15 units .The pay out is 3x5 =15 units,so the profit is 0. Betschedule on the EC is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7.

Okay, now I see what you mean.

You are absolutely correct in your observation.

The 1st 4 bets win a positive amount, the 5 bet breaks even.

You must have overlooked my statement that from the 6th bet on I increase 1 unit on a loss and decrease by 2 units on a win.  This way, a couple of wins close together should put me at a new high.

For the 1st 5 bets, I increase 1 step on a loss and start over at 1 on a win because I will be at a new high or even.

Cheers,

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 11, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit link=topic=17630. msg125345#msg125345 date=1294398898
GLC,

Method  sounds  good.  With ONE slight modification  You can INCREASE  the Winnings  and REDUCE  losses.

This way you ELIMINATE the luck factor.

With this modification my last 12 casino trips from Nov 23 /2010-thru  Jan 5 / 2011 were all WINNERS .

N. D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

I Like your positive progressions.   Its good to see someone is up on the casino :dance1:
I can't figure out how to apply a positive progression to this strategy though?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks


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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 11, 2011, 10:42:01 PM
TRX250,

I've been trying it with a regression bet method.  2,1,2,3.

I play 2 units on an e.c.  If I win, I play 2 units on each of the last 2 dozens to hit.
If I win that, I play 1 unit on an e.c.  If I win, I play 1 unit on each of the last 2 dozens to hit.
If I win that, I play 2 units on an e.c.  If I win, I play 2 units etc...
If I win that, I play 3 units  etc...
If I win all 8 bets I am up 16 units.  Start over

Any loss along the way and you start over.
Once you have won the 2 bets at the 1st 2 unit bet, you cannot lose.

The thing I like about this is that you have a reasonable chance to hit a 16 unit win every now and then which is very nice.

The thing I really like about it is that you are always in total control of your bankroll.  You can't get in a position where you have to take a big loss or else bet even more and run the risk of having to take an even bigger loss.

After playing negative progressions, this does feel like a grind, but it is holding up okay.

Another possibility is to play 1,1,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 at the 1st loss start over.

Cheers,

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 12, 2011, 08:02:36 AM
My burning question is:How do you make you choice for the ECs and the dozens.It seems to me it is randomness!!

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 12, 2011, 06:30:59 PM
My burning question is:How do you make you choice for the ECs and the dozens.It seems to me it is randomness!!

I leave that up to each person to play the way they feel best.

Personally, I prefer follow-the-last until RBRB at which time I go to chops until I get a double color then back to FTL.  Also, if I get RRBB, I go to playing for the doubles to continue until they stop then back to FTL.  This catches any streaks that come along.

I just play the last 2 dozens to show.  It keeps me from betting on a sleeper for more than 2 times.  If a dozen hits 5 times in a row, I bet on the other 2 dozens.

I have been thinking of using Norman Squire's even chance selection method.  He waits for a 4 step formation to happen and then bets against it continuing on the 5th spin.  Ex. RRRR he would bet for a Black next spin.  If it hits, bet on the last 2 dozens to hit.  He uses chops, doublets, and he watches all 3 even chance bets to get as many plays as possible.  This may or may not be better than my preference above.

What do you think?

George

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 13, 2011, 03:06:52 PM
5 dozens or columns in a row happens once on average in 243 spins.In such a case I always bet the other two.If dozen 1and dozen 2 , I put 3 units on LOW and 1 on sixline 19/24. If the zero lands on ER you do not lost 4 units.

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Re: Even Chance Then Double Dozen
January 16, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
I know someone who was using this method and made quite abit of money from it but he also lost money from it how ever he has made more from it then he has lost.

so it dose work but the long streaks can hit very hard, whether its a good system or not i dont know. i wouldnt use it personaly for other reasons.

 

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