Roulette Newbie on Low BRs, RNGs and Auto-Wheels

[oldfashioned]

Greetings Gentlemen!

What a wonderful community this is! I have been hanging out here for a while now and absorbed a lot of valuable info! BIG thanks to all major contributors. 

I have recently made a 100 euro deposit in SmartLive casino, just to start things off.  I played the low-stake auto-wheel for a while and I made 20 some euro.  Then a major loosing streak occurred and I was down to 50 euro.  So. . .  I started playing the RNG which only made things worse

My major mistakes were:

1.  I haven't set fixed betting sessions (say 30 mins or 1 hour)
2.  I played a loosing system (waiting for a dozen / line to hit twice and then bet on the other two, if I loose I usually go - 1/3/9/27. . .  progression which just KILLS low BRs and is an absolute NO-GO when it comes to long-term play)
3.  I was unable to apply my stop-loss rules.  I haven't set any to be honest.
4.  I experienced major panic when on a loosing streak, thus my decisions were devastatingly bad.

Now I am down to 25 euro.  I decided to perceive this situation as a challenge and play reasonable and smart from now on.  I am gonna play the low-stakes RNG (0,10 - 50).  I just think that with my current, almost non-existing BR, I won't stand a chance on the Low-Stakes Auto.


I am seeking some general advice on a few matters:

1.  What is a good system / play style for low BR players?
2.  What is a good betting progression for low-stakes, low BR play?

[ReDsQuaD]

Greetings Gentlemen!

What a wonderful community this is! I have been hanging out here for a while now and absorbed a lot of valuable info! BIG thanks to all major contributors. 

I have recently made a 100 euro deposit in SmartLive casino, just to start things off.  I played the low-stake auto-wheel for a while and I made 20 some euro.  Then a major losing streak occurred and I was down to 50 euro.  So. . .  I started playing the RNG which only made things worse

My major mistakes were:

1.  I haven't set fixed betting sessions (say 30 mins or 1 hour)
2.  I played a losing system (waiting for a dozen / line to hit twice and then bet on the other two, if I lose I usually go - 1/3/9/27. . .  progression which just KILLS low BRs and is an absolute NO-GO when it comes to long-term play)
3.  I was unable to apply my stop-loss rules.  I haven't set any to be honest.
4.  I experienced major panic when on a losing streak, thus my decisions were devastatingly bad.

Now I am down to 25 euro.  I decided to perceive this situation as a challenge and play reasonable and smart from now on.  I am gonna play the low-stakes RNG (0,10 - 50).  I just think that with my current, almost non-existing BR, I won't stand a chance on the Low-Stakes Auto.


I am seeking some general advice on a few matters:

1.  What is a good system / play style for low BR players?
2.  What is a good betting progression for low-stakes, low BR play?

Hey man, James here.

Greetings

Now the first thing i will say, is please stay away from RNG. You won't win.

Most online casino's program there RNG to negate any long term system. It a sort of defense that will turn on when you least expect it, you won't like the result because you will be cleaned out.

I figured this out about TWO years back. I thought i had created a long term system, it worked fine in the play mode. So i put in 1k and lost it under 5 minutes. The RNG defense will negate any system because it will simply play against you.

Now this is not FACT, its my experience and opinion. Oh and also, the play for fun mode is a whole diffrent world to live RNG. The play for fun mode makes you believe your system works. Its quite clever.

Anyway enough on the RNG subject.

If you want to persue, i would say stick around on this forum and try work out who are the Advantage players.

Now others will disagree with me, but in my opinion, physic's is the only way possible to win at roulette. Forget mathematics and probability, you cannot beat roulette if your system is based on mathematics and probability.

You are probably at the stage where i was at last year. I came to this forum and i was confused. You got a lot of different people with different opinions. All i will say on this, do not get dragged down by those who tell you roulette is not beatable, they are wrong.

Maybe have a look into the Physic's side of things, if you do, check out visual ballistics,bias and dealer signature.

The following 3 i listed, have been proven methods to beat roulette. A guy called Joseph Jagger, he hit the Monte Carlo back in 1875 and cleaned them out using wheel bias. My point is, Physic's is the way forward in my opinion.


And one last point which is commen sense, look for the guys with high post levels, maybe ask them what they know about roulette and if they are beating it. You never know.

I hope this helps.

James.

[Nathan Detroit]

oldfashioned,

I shall  only reply to one of your questions :1.  What is a good system / play style for low BR players?

My reply. It is not the  size of the bankroll but the PROPER bankroll relative to the table minimum .Read some  books  by some  roulette authors and  form your own  opinion how  those offered systems  might be  to your liking.

The  rule  of the thumb for me is  20 times the table minimum  for   one  session and I am considering winning 2  out of 3 sessions. This means  you require  3  identical bankrolls..

I never use  any negative progression to win back  losses but after you have  attained   half of  your win goal then go  for  a  slight  positive  progression  of  which many are available.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[oldfashioned]

@ReDsQuaD: Thank you for the reply!!! The thing with me playing RNGs is that I personally enjoy the fast pace of play.   While I agree that "Fun Mode" is 100% rigged, I haven't really received enough grief from the RNG to make a solid conclusion if it is manipulated or not.   I can imagine that there are a lot of rogue online casinos out there who make RNG players' lives a dark void of misery and sorrow ( ), but I strongly doubt that the big names out there would risk unwanted exposure by tring to rig something that is ALREADY paying out hugely in their favor.   BUT!!! I am not sure if this is not what I want TO BELIEVE, rather then a constructive and objective opinion

In order for me to apply VB, Wheel Bias or Dealer Signature, I must hit brick'n'mortar casinos and to be completely honest with you.  .  .   where I live, casinos are not the safest place to be

So I really intend on playing online.   :/

@Nathan Detroit: thank you for your good advice! "It is not the  size of the bankroll but the PROPER bankroll relative to the table minimum" - I shall remember that! Would you be willing to recommend me some good books on roulette? \

Also.  .  .   As embarrassed as I am.  .  .   I will politely ask you to clarify this sentence:

"I never use  any negative progression to win back  losses but after you have  attained   half of  your win goal then go  for  a  slight  positive  progression  of  which many are available.  "

What are negative/positive progressions? I may be aware of the concept but the terminology might have prevented me from understanding. 

Thank you guys for the advice once again!

[ReDsQuaD]

In order for me to apply VB, Wheel Bias or Dealer Signature, I must hit brick'n'mortar casinos and to be completely honest with you.  .  .   where I live, casinos are not the safest place to be

So I really intend on playing online.   :/

LOL Where are you from? Libya ?

James.

[oldfashioned]

I wouldn't have much spare time to explore the world of roulette if I was Living in Libya I guess. . . 

I'm from Bulgaria Not handling "losing" too well + an immense capacity for consuming alcoholic drinks is not a good national characteristic trait mix IMO!

But to the topic of roulette:

I am currently experimenting with Eggleston Betting System 2. 0.  I played 100+ spins so far and I find it quite rewarding.  Still had some serious down moments when I was saved by lady luck.  I don't think it is a good low BR, system for RNG though. 

So far what gave me the most consistent results was this:

Track the spins until a row or a dozen comes up 3 times then bet on the other two.  If you track both dozens and rows it pays up quite well.

I know that in theory this would soon manifest in an epic fail though.  So. . .  looking for alternatives. 

[Nathan Detroit]

******What are negative/positive progressions? I may be aware of the concept but the terminology might have prevented me from understanding. ****

The worst one  of a negative progression is  the martingale .

A good positive progression would be the Charles Guetting progression:

nolinks://nolinks.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html

Another similar  positive progression after 2 wins in a row would be  to add   50 percent  of your wager . The same  after another 2  wins in a row. Should you lose then go back to the original first bet.  This is somewhat  different  from the Guetting progression.



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

{.S. On regard to some  books on roulette I don`t know which  ones  would  br vailable in your are . If you google some in then we   would  gladly help you with your selection if possible.

[bakonlin]

Hey man, James here.

Greetings

Now the first thing I will say, is please stay away from RNG. You won't win.

Most online casino's program there RNG to negate any long term system. It a sort of defense that will turn on when you least expect it, you won't like the result because you will be cleaned out.

I figured this out about TWO years back. I thought I had created a long term system, it worked fine in the play mode. So I put in 1k and lost it under 5 minutes. The RNG defense will negate any system because it will simply play against you.

Now this is not FACT, its my experience and opinion. Oh and also, the play for fun mode is a whole diffrent world to live RNG. The play for fun mode makes you believe your system works. Its quite clever.

Anyway enough on the RNG subject.

If you want to persue, I would say stick around on this forum and try work out who are the Advantage players.

Now others will disagree with me, but in my opinion, physic's is the only way possible to win at roulette. Forget mathematics and probability, you cannot beat roulette if your system is based on mathematics and probability.

You are probably at the stage where I was at last year. I came to this forum and I was confused. You got a lot of different people with different opinions. All I will say on this, do not get dragged down by those who tell you roulette is not beatable, they are wrong.

Maybe have a look into the Physic's side of things, if you do, check out visual ballistics,bias and dealer signature.

The following 3 I listed, have been proven methods to beat roulette. A guy called Joseph Jagger, he hit the Monte Carlo back in 1875 and cleaned them out using wheel bias. My point is, Physic's is the way forward in my opinion.


And one last point which is commen sense, look for the guys with high post levels, maybe ask them what they know about roulette and if they are beating it. You never know.

I hope this helps.

James.

I also play RNG ,I have the same feeling.
My son is graduated from IT.He just told me yesterday that the computer /software of the casino can detect  the IP address of the player when login.The software already set up for countering what ever the player bet.This software is made for the casino to make money,not lose.
Did you experience you lost on every bet you placed,follow the last colour or against it?

[bakonlin]

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