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The Three States

Started by gizmotron, April 09, 2011, 03:03:17 AM

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gizmotron

That's right. This is the stuff that Spike / cheese says is worthless. My algorithm is now working to the point that it uses a mechanical method to produce these three high quality states. They are consistent because the rules that cause them are consistent too. My method has always been about the randomness of those three states. Spike never advised me on that. In fact he totally rejects it.

It is in these three states where I found the most valuable information regarding reading randomness too. That's where I get my winnings from. There is no credible way for Spike to pass judgment of me with his total disregard for this method. He is completely clueless and has always been clueless. I've always known that too. And I taught this to all my students. Spike thinks that a few people that can't do something makes up all the truth there is to know about these three states.

I've never heard one constructive thing from him other than his negativity. There is nothing in all the archives regarding his contribution that led me to discover this. I don't care about the process that gets me to these three states. I just care about the randomness of these three conditions. The only thing that matters is playing the trend that the effectiveness is producing. It can be from anything including the dozens, the columns, or the three EC's.

This is yet another area of difference between my method and Father Roulette's. I also don't stick to just a single flat betting level. I use two levels. So there is very little in common with whatever Spike is claiming that he taught me and what I actually do. As far as I can see, none of what I do comes from him.

Here is the software working:

<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
------------------------------------
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
------------------------------------
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 40

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 50

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30

Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 40

Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
-------------------------------------
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 50

Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
--------------------------------------
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 60

Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
------------------------------------

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 03:03:17 AM
My method has always been about the randomness of those three states.



The 'three states' happen to everybody in every random game. Everybody is either winning, winning and losing, or losing. All the time. The only time this wouldn't happen is if you have the edge. If you see them happening, you don't have the edge, or enough of an edge to matter. Thats a fact.

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 03:32:59 AM
The 'three states' happen to everybody in every random game. Everybody is either winning, winning and losing, or losing. All the time. The only time this wouldn't happen is if you have the edge. If you see them happening, you don't have the edge, or enough of an edge to matter. Thats a fact.

Go away. I don't care if you think you have an edge. I'm not interested in your thinking. You play 30 to 40 spins to win 5 - 7 units. Sure you have an edge. You never see the three states because you are so good. Only I don't care.  And there are no facts in anything that you just said. The absence of any facts or data is almost blinding it so crystal clear.

What's missing from your ignoramus conclusion is that "everybody in every random game" doesn't deal with it the way that I do. In fact only a few do. It's clear that you think your edge frees you of that necessity. And that clearly makes you ignorant of dealing with it. So go away Father Roulette. You are nothing but a pest.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 03:58:27 AM


What's missing from your ignoramus conclusion is that "everybody in every random game" doesn't deal with it the way that I do.

The only way to deal with it is to make it go away. To get into a 'state' where you see nothing but winning and occasional winning and losing winning and losing. There are no losing streaks, that only happens when you don't have a handle on the game. Your goal should never be to win as much as possible, but to not lose as much as possible. Do that, and the winning takes care of itself.

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 04:08:25 AM
The only way to deal with it is to make it go away. To get into a 'state' where you see nothing but winning and occasional winning and losing winning and losing. There are no losing streaks, that only happens when you don't have a handle on the game. Your goal should never be to win as much as possible, but to not lose as much as possible. Do that, and the winning takes care of itself.

Preach it Father Roulette. Oh what a great revelation.

I've been teaching about change and changing all along. I know about the need to adapt and change. You act like I'm forced to go through those bad conditions with wild losses. I'm not.

If you have only winning streaks then why does it take you 30 to 40 spins to get 5 - 7 units up? Something is very fishy here regarding that.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 04:16:39 AM



If you have only winning streaks then why does it take you 30 to 40 spins to get 5 - 7 units up? Something is very fishy here regarding that.

You have to quote me accurately. If you check, you'll see I said it USUALLY takes MUCH LESS than 30 spins to reach my goal. Sometimes  there are zeros to deal with and one zero eats up 2 spins. In 30 outcomes there can easily be 4-8 zeros sometimes, they eat up a lot of spins.

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 04:23:25 AM
You have to quote me accurately. If you check, you'll see I said it USUALLY takes MUCH LESS than 30 spins to reach my goal. Sometimes  there are zeros to deal with and one zero eats up 2 spins. In 30 outcomes there can easily be 4-8 zeros sometimes, they eat up a lot of spins.

Well you've wrecked another thread. That's what you do.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 04:30:07 AM
Well you've wrecked another thread.

How so? All I'm doing is stating things as they truly are. I study roulette all day, every day. Its all I do. Whats wrong with discussing it, I  don't object when you post in my threads, I welcome all suggestions. Here's the thing, Gizmo. If you're right, you will always have all the right arguments. Nobody can ruin a thread, because you have all the right answers. Like I did on GG, in 16,000 posts. Go thru them and see if I ever complained once about anybody posting. I never did, and they gave me a really hard time.

zippyplayer

Gizmotron
just what are you trying to achieve on these roulette forums ?

gizmotron

Quote from: zippyplayer on April 09, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
Gizmotron
just what are you trying to achieve on these roulette forums ?

Legacy. I found out I have heart disease. I learned just about everything from some advice I got 20 years ago and from my own playing experience with hot number detection. The hot number detection is tedious and time consuming. It turns out that the things that make that beatable apply to the EC's as well. I had become very good at the dozens and the columns betting 24 numbers at a time. Then four years ago I began seeing what people on forums were talking about. Before that I had more than 30 years experience. That included more than 12 years working with computers to write my own simulations that involved basic binomial distribution.

I started here and then basically went over to the more caustic GG.  I learned a few things along the way. People will only take on learning something needed only when they are at a stage to accept it and to move on to it. Most people are still looking for a set of rules that will lead them to consistent wins. They want Roulette to be an ATM machine. I tried to tell people about the miraculous effect of Elegant Patterns. But that was rejected. I tried to talk about reading randomness but that was mostly rejected by just about everyone. Hot numbers hardly ever came up.

So I tried something new after I found out that I would probably be dead in about ten years or less. I took on serious students that actually wanted to learn about what I knew was the only working way to beat Roulette outside of physics computers and specially gifted wheel clockers. Roulette is random. To beat it you must understand its characteristics that often repeat themselves or that travel in clusters or patterns. I was tired of arguing. It was time to prove my point to a few and to see if they could actually learn it and make use of it.

During that process I became aware of just how difficult it is for the new students to concentrate and see all the characteristics of randomness. I'm sure that had a fatiguing effect on almost all of them. By the time I got to the layer for tracking the quality of a session and it's current state of effectiveness the conversations became shorter and somewhat glazed over.

I was talking with Mike about something on this forum when it hit me to go ahead and build an algorithm that couldn't get tired out from learning fatigue. The goal of my ten students was to give myself a legacy. I wanted the knowledge to be known. So I set out to solve some of the accusations coming at me. If I could control hackers from not reading my source code and I could prevent hackers from distributing keys to my software then I could make a demonstration of my concepts that would come out slowly and just for a few people at a time. It's a far better legacy if only a few people at first take advantage of this.

There's one huge bonus in all this. I get to prove Spike is a liar. He says that I rip people off. In fact he thinks I ripped him off for all my ideas. He's a proven Dumbo when it comes to probability and arithmetic. He has no experience teaching his secrets to anyone. All I ever got from him was to take what I already knew about the dozens and columns and to attempt to apply it to the EC's with flat betting. He shared that information freely on at least two forums. Now he claims I ripped it off from him. Spike is just a bonus feature of all this.

The software demo is my proof of concept argument. It's to settle things once and for all time. You people at this forum are the only participants. Like it or not things around here will change. I will have done this and you will know it or I will fail and you will know that. There is no other way this can end. Spike is nothing more than a person that loves to wreck other people talking with each other. He's just a selfish and jealous child in an adult form. That makes him obnoxious. He's already trashed this thread. So I'm going to avoid him when ever possible. He has nothing new to add to these discussions. It's always the same old crud from him. I moved away from not sharing to sharing what I know. That's because this is difficult enough for only a few to be good at it. Now my software, that's a different story. It doesn't get tired. And it can be used to play any on-line casino. My software might not reach it's goal in 30 to 40 spins but it will in 100 spins most times. I'm sure that winning a three hour session is beneath that altruism of Father Roulette and his Zen of perfection. I'm sure we will all hear about that once the demo trials start. I'll have this done in less than 2 1/2 weeks. Then the real fun will start.

cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 12:57:16 PM


I get to prove Spike is a liar.



When does that start? Did I miss it?

As far as your legacy goes, don't worry, its intact. No worries there..

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
When does that start? Did I miss it?

As far as your legacy goes, don't worry, its intact. No worries there..

The thread wrecker strikes again.

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This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.



cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
The thread wrecker strikes again.






Well, you said you were going to prove I'm a liar and I was wondering if that started yet, so far I've missed it.

gizmotron

Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
Well, you said you were going to prove I'm a liar and I was wondering if that started yet, so far I've missed it.

Exhibit A: My software is no longer Vaporware. It's Beta testing now. It's a public Beta test too.

You said it would never happen. You are a liar and you will always be one.

=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.

nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe

This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.



cheese

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Exhibit A: My software is no longer Vaporware. You said it would never happen.






You just said you don't know if it wins or loses, so its not the software you promised. You said it would pick the correct bet more often than not and this clearly doesn't do that. So I was correct, it will never happen.

cheese

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