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Started by ll l ll l lll ll, April 17, 2011, 01:09:19 PM

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cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 07:52:06 AM
Spotting an opportunity improves with practice, and you have to know what you're looking for. A few minutes is enough. And I'm glad it isn't 1988 any longer, there are actually more opportunities these days. I don't expect you to believe me, in fact I'd be worried if you did.
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LOL! All you guys LOVE to say 'times have never been better', the harder they make the wheel to beat, the easier it gets. Whatever. I saw a movie made in 1962 the other day that had a long shot of a wheel. I almost jumped out of my chair. The slope to the numbers was so steep you could ski on it, and the frets were so high, the ball didn't have a chance of not being grabbed almost instantly. Those were the days for VB players. Sniff..

< there's no such thing as a random outcome. "random" just means you don't have any idea of the causes, or the interaction of them is too complex to be exploited.>

Speak for yourself, cause you sure ain't speaking for me. Don't project your obvious confusion onto everybody else.

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 08:01:38 AM
LOL! All you guys LOVE to say 'times have never been better', the harder they make the wheel to beat, the easier it gets. Whatever. I saw a movie made in 1962 the other day that had a long shot of a wheel. I almost jumped out of my chair. The slope to the numbers was so steep you could ski on it, and the frets were so high, the ball didn't have a chance of not being grabbed almost instantly. Those were the days for VB players. Sniff..

Wising up a chump is waste of time and just annoys him anyway.  :)

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 08:01:38 AM
Speak for yourself, cause you sure ain't speaking for me. Don't project your obvious confusion onto everybody else.

MY obvious confusion?  ;D

coming from someone who claims to be able to "read" random (which by definition is unreadable), that's pretty rich.

cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 08:22:23 AM
Wising up a chump is waste of time and just annoys him anyway.  :)

There's no 'wising up' to be done on the new wheels. I look at them in wonder, as the ball slowly meanders down towards the pockets, and when it eventually gets there, the pockets are so shallow, the ball barely finds a place to rest. You think Huxley and the rest don't have pro VB players on the payroll, advising on wheels that are harder and harder to beat? Get real.

cheese

>>coming from someone who claims to be able to "read" random (which by definition is unreadable)>>

And at one time, BJ was unbeatable. Until somebody figured out it wasn't. And don't give me 'its two different kinds of games', unbeatable is unbeatable.

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 08:35:01 AM
There's no 'wising up' to be done on the new wheels. I look at them in wonder, as the ball slowly meanders down towards the pockets, and when it eventually get there, the pockets are so shallow, the ball barely finds a place to rest. You think Huxley and the rest don't have pro VB players on the payroll, advising on wheels that are harder and harder to beat? Get real.

So on the basis of just looking at the wheel (without knowing what to look FOR) you conclude that they are unbeatable. How arrogant is that? You just assume that because "everyone" knows that wheels are no longer exploitable, then it must be true.

"Everyone" also knows that you can't "read" random outcomes, and yet you dispute that.

The difference is that my claim is in principle achievable, whereas yours doesn't even make sense.


cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 08:57:44 AM
So on the basis of just looking at the wheel (without knowing what to look FOR) you conclude that they are unbeatable.




Not at all. Its very very difficult to beat, not impossible. My point is, with every new improvement, you VB guys laugh and laugh and say its easier than ever. No, its not. You're not fooling anybody, Huxley, the casinos, the public. Nobody.

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 08:37:41 AM
>>coming from someone who claims to be able to "read" random (which by definition is unreadable)>>

And at one time, BJ was unbeatable. Until somebody figured out it wasn't. And don't give me 'its two different kinds of games', unbeatable is unbeatable.

The old wheels were considered unbeatable too, until someone beat them.

Just as you claim that "you have to put the hours in" to read random (cough), so also you have to put the hours in to learn how to beat the modern wheels.

Not having been around in the era of the old wheels, I don't know whether it's easier today or not. All I can say is that it can be done, and it isn't that hard.

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 09:04:01 AM
Not at all. Its very very difficult to beat, not impossible. My point is, with every new improvement, you VB guys laugh and laugh and say its easier than ever. No, its not. You're not fooling anybody, Huxley, the casinos, the public. Nobody.

Again, how do you KNOW this? have you actually ever tried?




Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 09:04:01 AM
Not at all. Its very very difficult to beat, not impossible. My point is, with every new improvement, you VB guys laugh and laugh and say its easier than ever. No, its not. You're not fooling anybody, Huxley, the casinos, the public. Nobody.

I don't know of any VB guys who claim that, please show me any posts on this forum where members claim this.

I'm not a "VB guy". I concentrate on finding biased wheels.

cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 09:05:54 AM

Not having been around in the era of the old wheels, I don't know whether it's easier today or not. All I can say is that it can be done, and it isn't that hard.

Yes, I hear from you guys that its a cake walk. You all must get the talking points and read from them. The truth is, if it really WAS easy, nobody would be saying a word. You would all be trying to convince Huxley by your silence that they had gone far enough, no more improvements.

cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 09:10:21 AM
Again, how do you KNOW this? have you actually ever tried?





I know somebody who used to do it 10 years ago. He says the new wheels are almost unbeatable and not worth his time. But he's probably a low grade doofus compared to youse 'mod-ERN' dudes..

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
The truth is, if it really WAS easy, nobody would be saying a word.

Easy is a relative term. It wasn't easy when I started. Practice makes it easier. And as far as I'm aware, very few people say it can be done, but that suits me fine.

Mike

Quote from: cheese on April 20, 2011, 09:17:29 AM
But he's probably a low grade doofus compared to youse 'mod-ERN' dudes..

Yes, I expect so.  :)

cheese

Quote from: Mike on April 20, 2011, 09:14:47 AM


I'm not a "VB guy". I concentrate on finding biased wheels.

So you're finding biased wheels among the new modern wheels? Is that the story you're going with? Where do you play, Outer Slobovia, where the last new wheel they got was in 1986? Are you sure this is the path you want to go down here? This is, well, unexpected, for about 100 reasons. LOL!

cheese

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