Is this the right attitude...?

[delune]

Hi All, I just wanted to say hello, and I look forward to being part of this forum, so many great ideas and viewpoints.  It's been what I've been looking for.

I've been consumed with roulette for the last 1. 5 weeks, my first interest in anything vaguely gambling related, I've bought about 3 tattslotto tickets in my life. .  I do however love testing out things in spreadsheets, I find it fasinating! (<-- nerd) Last week I thought I found the answer, on a Martingale variation. .  whoops! for those few days I felt amazing though, and now I'm hooked!

I had a realisation as to where this motivation comes from, I have recently seemingly overcome an 8 year long battle with chronic illness that everyone, everywhere has said. . .  'there is no cure'.  The future is looking bright.  I was very, very ill, I had minor surgery, and was close to major, irreversable surgery, i'd tried everything, but never gave up.  As everyone who was experienced any kind of ongoing illness or chronic pain, you know how hard it is to stay positive at times, it just doesn't happen.  However, I love researching, and always looking for the answer. .  so against all odds I found an amazing medical professor, who practically every mainstream doctor disagrees with (at this point in time), and I'm now turning my life around.

So now I realise that this recent roulette fasination has come from this experience.  When everyone is telling you something is impossible, but through your dedication, reasoning skills, hope (and luck?), you realise that the mainstream can definitely be and often are wrong.

Reasons for this may be:
-Saving their own face, not liking to be different/wrong
-Stuck in their ways
-Lack of continuing education
-Going along with the herd
-Covering up the truth that they know to suit their own motives
and at the very worst:
-Laziness/arrogance

So the question is, can this apply to roulette? Is it the right attitude to have that there may be long term winning strategies/systems that suit particular individuals, that for the various reasons stated above, are not part of mainstream knowledge.

A Henry Ford quote springs to mind: "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--either way, you are right. ". . .

Where do I begin? I want to fast track this learning curve, but know that these things can take time.

[VKM]

Welcome to the forum, delune.

Have an open mind... but don't let your brain fall out. (I have to give Mike credit for that joke.) 

My advice is, when considering a system or method of play, have a positive attitude... but if you find yourself in a session where the wheel is producing red after red after red etc... don't spend too much money or time betting on black.

Also, depending on how crazy you are, don't be surprised if somebody around here calls you "da loon" instead of delune. 


VKM

[delune]

Nice one. . .  I think I have to hold my brains from spilling over a little at times!

delune = of the moon

Lunacy is the 'disease of the moon', so you may be on the right track, but that's not for me to decide.   

[VKM]

You have a good sense of humor.  That will make your time here more enjoyable.

VKM

[delune]

Thanks, VKM, you are kind.

I think what I was angling at initially is that sometimes in order to achieve something difficult or rare, it might be necessary to push beyond having an open mind, because an open mind to me indicates that we are open to new ideas/ways of looking at the world, but not necessarily actively searching for those ideas.
I was musing how this may apply to roulette, although I too see the benefit too of keeping expectations in check! Logic and rationality are more important than 'wishful thinking' for sure, but, to me, both are more important than following popular opinion.

[VKM]

Thanks, VKM, you are kind.

I think what I was angling at initially is that sometimes in order to achieve something difficult or rare, it might be necessary to push beyond having an open mind, because an open mind to me indicates that we are open to new ideas/ways of looking at the world, but not necessarily actively searching for those ideas.
I was musing how this may apply to roulette, although I too see the benefit too of keeping expectations in check! Logic and rationality are more important than 'wishful thinking' for sure, but, to me, both are more important than following popular opinion.

I agree with you. 
I'm going to include here, something that happened to me three weeks ago, that I wrote down the next morning.  It's an example of what can happen when you don't allow your opinions to become obstacles that block what is possible.


The groupier was picking up the ball from the roulette wheel.  I looked at him and said, "I know
the next number..."  As he spun the ball, I pointed at the table and said, "Everything is lined up
perfectly for the number twenty-three to hit on this spin..."  Smiling, I looked at the three
other players at the table.  As I placed my bet I said, "Remember this... I told you this before
the number hit... It for sure will be the number twenty-three."  I didn't even glance at the
wheel, but I could hear the ball circle several times, drop off the track, and then bounce across
the pockets.  And then, for one small moment... silence.  Then the groupier and the players were
looking at me and looking at each other and laughing like they were happy. 

I basked in the moment as I watched the groupier place the marker on the table.
Number twenty-three.


That happened to me last night at the casino while I was betting on just one number per spin. 
It is what I call, "an intuitive moment".
It's knowledge that doesn't result from conscious thought, reason or logic. 
It's knowing without knowing how or why you know.


VKM

[Mike]

Where do I begin? I want to fast track this learning curve, but know that these things can take time.

My $0.02,

Forget about systems and methods which use past results, stats, trends, patterns and progressions. IMO you have a MUCH better chance of beating an incurable illness than beating roulette that way. You've achieved the former (well done), but it may come to seem like it was a walk in the park...

Look at the physics  (wheel, ball, dealer) of the game FIRST, it could save you a lot of time and frustration.

[schoenpoetser]

Delune.You have the right attitude for the roulette . On the forum the different methods are discussed.Try to understand these methods before gambling with real money.Some methods are only suitable for live wheel roulette and others universal.I have studied the roulette also with spread sheets (Excel ).Some of my models I have published on the forum.I am interested in yours and I can send you mine.

[VKM]

As I was reading over this Topic, I noticed in my reply #5 that I had spelled "croupier" with a "g" instead of a "c".  Not once but THREE times.  I copied and pasted that paragraph from the original file from my computer.  I remember being really sleepy the morning that I originally wrote it, but I didn't know that I was "stupid sleepy".   
Anyway... It's corrected below.     


I'm going to include here, something that happened to me three weeks ago, that I wrote down the next morning.  It's an example of what can happen when you don't allow your opinions to become obstacles that block what is possible.


The croupier was picking up the ball from the roulette wheel.  I looked at him and said, "I know
the next number..."  As he spun the ball, I pointed at the table and said, "Everything is lined up
perfectly for the number twenty-three to hit on this spin..."  Smiling, I looked at the three
other players at the table.  As I placed my bet I said, "Remember this... I told you this before
the number hit... It for sure will be the number twenty-three."  I didn't even glance at the
wheel, but I could hear the ball circle several times, drop off the track, and then bounce across
the pockets.  And then, for one small moment... silence.  Then the croupier and the players were
looking at me and looking at each other and laughing like they were happy. 

I basked in the moment as I watched the croupier place the marker on the table.
Number twenty-three.


That happened to me last night at the casino while I was betting on just one number per spin. 
It is what I call, "an intuitive moment".
It's knowledge that doesn't result from conscious thought, reason or logic. 
It's knowing without knowing how or why you know.


VKM

[delune]

Sorry I took so long to get around to replying. . .  I'm not in the habit of posting on forums so please forgive me!

VKM-- Great story. . .  moments like that feel fantastic.  I'm in no way saying that I think positive thinking can have any real impact over individual numbers, or even whole games, but I think a positive attitude influences how likely you are to find approaches/methods/strategies that are successful for you in the long run. . . 

Mike-- I am absolutely interested in learning more about the physical ways of tackling the game, but to be honest probabilities and trends are what I'm initially attracted to - but I'm not ruling anything out in a hurry! Are there any players you know of that are fence sitters or combine both approaches?

schoen-- I will post something when I have something cohesive enough to share!

[delune]

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