the no magical thinking group

[simon]

Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa,  who was in the Ritz team that took I think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and I might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors.  I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is.  

I don't believe it's impossible, I wish I could do it.  I also don't believe it's impossible for a dealer to throw to a number because I saw one do it (it took a few tries but he really did it and it was one of the coolest things I ever saw.  (and ofcourse I wanted to become that dealer's best friend but he was an honest guy and did it just for skill and fun-- he told me they practiced doing that in dealer school.  I never would have believed it was possible if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes-- he did it in less than 10 tries-- the exact number I asked him to hit-- he deliberately hit my number for me.  it was in the middle of the night and there weren't many people around.  it was very cool, but unfortunately he wasn't going to make a habit of it.)

[Mr J]

*EVERY* method, even to a small degree, LOOKS AT some past numbers. It might be the last 100 numbers or it might only be one number. I did many threads on this before. The term gamblers fallacy is so WIDELY used, it cracks me up. I use to hate that term, now, its kind of a compliment. 

Ken

[simon]

how about this-- next time I'm at the roulette table I'll drop a chip and when I go to get it I'll shove a coin underneath the table leg, then I'll see if the ball is dropping in or out of that large target area I keep talking about on the American wheel.  no?  can't do it?  table too heavy?  well just a thought .  hey they don't have cameras under the table!  (not such a bad idea really.)  ok well if that don't work I'll just track wheels all day and see if one seems to get more hits into this target.  I'm talking 60% of the wheel that can be quickly-- immediately-- covered with just 2 chips.  should be a way to take advantage of that (revenge of the double zeroe wheel disadvantaged players.)

[Mr J]

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/12-numbers-once/ <<< PERFECT EXAMPLE. In my view, there are only two options.

A) CORRECT PICK >> Choosing the 12 numbers, one at a time, 12 spins. The AP crew won't admit to this. If they did, they could no longer slam others using a method but TRUST ME, they know the 12 spins is the better choice. I admit, ON PAPER, it should not matter.

OR

B) If someone says they are both the same, they are lying. Sorry guys, I'm sticking to my guns on this.

Ken

[money13]

We cant know our future without knowing the past. Yesterday I watch tv , tomorow will play, are they both in common ?

[Kelly]

Simon you can`t control the target area just because the wheel is tilted.  The outcome numbers are still random because of the rotor. The advantage with a tilted wheel is  somewhere else. Hence that the casinos doesn`t reckognize a tilt as a bias although for a VB player it is biased enough. It wouldn`t make any difference if you play a system, not even if it was based on sectors.

Correction: If you are the dealer you can to some extent control the target area if the wheel has a tilt.  On real casino wheels, only to some degree. You can never be 100% sure to hit the target number.  Or to put it differently, sector shooting is a myth on wheels WITHOUT a tilt.  Its also a myth if its the type where 20 - 28 ball revoloutions is possible simply because a little variation in the release power will push the end result pretty much because the ball spends more time running in the track.

[schoenpoetser]

All roulette devices are biased.The bias is the the 4 arms to rotate the wheel . There is a relation between the release point of the ball and the arm. This can declare the VB  and the DS method.The outcome is every time a random sequence.  The random sequence has features due to the statistic rules.Using these features is also a successful method to beat the roulette.Not a system can beat the roulette but a skilled player with the right attitude and a good proved strategy can do it.
I am very lonely but I believe in the maths.

[medo]

Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa,  who was in the Ritz team that took I think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and I might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors.  I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is. 

And acording from private information he Niko has lost so much money lately in Australia
on todays more modern wheels....that he is stack down under with no financial suport nor means of living.
Have tried to get somehow in contact but without success.

[Kelly]

Sorry to hear that  they are trying to pull back some their lost revenue. Same happened to Kaisan a couple of years ago in a smaller scale, i think he quit before it went to much south. He retuned stronger it seems though.  Still play as a pro although i think he changed the BMW to a Peugeot..... of all cars.


Scoenpoetser, some of the derler signatures systems (wurfweitensysteme) is tracked by the handles with only 4 release points, in my opinion those days are gone where that could give you an advantage.

 

[schoenpoetser]

I do not believe in VB or DS. I found very often that the distance between the hotspots on the wheel is about 90 degrees.It should be coursed by the 4 arms.

[Kelly]

Neither VB or DS is about hotspots in the wheel.  DS is playing the dealers  "throwing distance".  You can call the most used power by the dealer for the hot spot.  But todays wheels and ball types waters out the edge.

[money13]

If I could undurstand the true meaning of this foroum I would curse.But even then its happened I am not sure. 

[cheese]

 All you do is make inane comments, you're as bad as Spike was and I have been around this board long enough to have seen your useless systems

You're in good company, Nathan, don't worry. You were playing roulette before Simon was a zygote..

[cheese]

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