the no magical thinking group

[simon]

it would be good if there was a group where every participant agreed that past spins can have no affect on the current spin.  but then I suppose that would rule out 99% of all roulette systems so I suppose that wouldn't leave much to work with in our attempt to beat the wheel, would it.

[xman1970]

IF you are NOT using VB or the physics of the wheel to predict what the next spin will be, apart from previous spins what else could you possibly use 

[Carpanta]

Yes, you are right Simon. You and your group would be left only with LUCK to beat roulette.

¿How can you deny events are due to have frecuence attached to their outcome?
It can be a positive frecuence when the event reappears inside its natural outcome universe (ex. 36 spins for straight numbers) and negative when its frecuence is falling outside its natural outcome universe .

Cheers,
Carlos.

[medo]

Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.

[Nathan Detroit]

Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.

This certainly  will put the  mathboyzz outof business   and with them  the   random maniacs. How  cruel.  

[simon]

Yes, you are right Simon. You and your group would be left only with LUCK to beat roulette.

¿How can you deny events are due to have frecuence attached to their outcome?
It can be a positive frecuence when the event reappears inside its natural outcome universe (ex. 36 spins for straight numbers) and negative when its frecuence is falling outside its natural outcome universe .

Cheers,
Carlos.

.... the expected distribution of events only asserts itself over many more spins than you will be playing at your brief stay at the roulette table, and as the percentages come closer to their expectations, the actual difference between for example red vs black becomes greater and greater, someday you'll figure that out.  thinking something is "due" based on recent outcomes is always the first system of the naive gambler.

[Carpanta]

.... the expected distribution of events only asserts itself over many more spins than you will be playing at your brief stay at the roulette table, and as the percentages come closer to their expectations, the actual difference between for example red vs black becomes greater and greater, someday you'll figure that out.  thinking something is "due" based on recent outcomes is always the first system of the naive gambler.

The time i was a naive gambler you were still pissing your pants. Long long time ago mate.
I know what im talking about. Problem is most people want to beat the game. That's the mistake.
The real deed is to beat the wheel. Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.

[simon]

IF you are NOT using VB or the physics of the wheel to predict what the next spin will be, apart from previous spins what else could you possibly use 

.... well you're right xman, I'm sure the only way to beat roulette is to be able to predict a hit in the large A/C target on the American wheel (1st and third columns) more than 50% of the time.  I wish I could do that but without really excellent vision, consistent ball throw and wheel speed, and possibly a biased wheel which is unlikely to come by, it's probably not possible.  which is a shame because you would only have to be right a little more than half the time, hitting a very large section of the wheel.

[simon]

The time I was a naive gambler you were still pissing your pants. Long long time ago mate.
I know what im talking about. Problem is most people want to beat the game. That's the mistake.
The real deed is to beat the wheel. Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.

........... ball movement?  the ball is thrown at different times at different points around the wheel and at different speeds, and goes bouncing around the wheel as it collides with diamonds and frets.  I agree with you that beating a specific wheel sounds like a better idea than trying to beat the game, but it doesn't seem likely that you can predict what the ball will do next...

[simon]

This certainly  will put the  mathboyzz outof business   and with them  the   randomaiacs. How  cruel.  

........ I cannot even reply to this it makes such little sense.

[simon]

Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.

............. I don't know what all that is supposed to mean.  medo, what kind of game do you play?  are you a VB guy, a roulette method for the even chances guy, or what?  (by the way anyone who likes to play the even chances should be playing mini-bac, not roulette.)

[Nathan Detroit]

medo

I think we  have  this  cat confused . LOL. He is  boiling mad.

[simon]

I am pissing off  a lot of people   when I give NO details  about  my methods.That is my intend. Especially the scammers  like  you . who like  to steal ideas.

...... steal ideas?  I am the one explaining to VB guys the bet they should be making.  I am the one who has explained and discussed many systems and ideas relating to the American wheel and betting layout.  All you do is make inane comments, you're as bad as Spike was and I have been around this board long enough to have seen your useless systems that only an idiot would think would be a good idea.  When I see your name I always think to myself "he is an idiot."  you have nothing constructive to offer and you have nothing intelligent to say.  I'm sure you don't even gamble at the casino.

[ReDsQuaD]

it would be good if there was a group where every participant agreed that past spins can have no affect on the current spin.  but then I suppose that would rule out 99% of all roulette systems so I suppose that wouldn't leave much to work with in our attempt to beat the wheel, would it.

Wrong! Roulette is not a random game, every single wheel has a weakness, there is no such thing as a perfect wheel. What do you define as random? Random is not valid, events happen for a reason, its called Cause and affect.

Every spin is always affected from the previous spin. Chain of events so to speak.

The only type of roulette that is random, is online RNG play.

Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.

I totally agree, this is also a true fact.

but it doesn't seem likely that you can predict what the ball will do next...

Wrong again! You obviously haven't studied or researched Visual ballistics properly and thoroughly.

Visual ballistics is a skill, an art in in itself. Anybody can learn it. Most people are put of the idea because it requires some effort and pratise.

Or you could just use a roulette computer to do most of the work for you.

I think most people are quite lazy, hesitating to put in the required effort to succeed and earn a full time living exploiting wheels.

No disrespect, but you are one of them Simon.

The only mutual agreement we have, is bias playing has pretty much become instinct due to the casinos tracking bias software. The casinos are not stupid and can spot a bias player from a mile off.

[Kelly]

Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa,  who was in the Ritz team that took i think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and i might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors.  I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is. 

[Kelly]

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