TEST RESULTS: ATILA + VLS' Approach

[ChickenDinner]

Thanks Victor - that's brilliant. The way you play is very interesting, and certainly a damn sight more mathematically nuanced than my approach. I guess there are a million different ways of playing the ATILA-style, but yours seems the most advanced. 


Anyway, I'll keep playing with it and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your passive-agressive methodology in Anand's thread.

Cheers,
CD

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Victor,

Just a thought on playing ATILA-style on lines. If targeting 1 line only, rather than hunting qualifying lines to bet, do you think there is merit in waiting for a line to sleep for 3 cycles (18 spins) and then target that line once it hits?

I've done a few tests and it seems very positive. Basically you should, in theory, be able hit your target profit quicker with 'statistical pressure' on your side.

Of course there is nothing stopping that line from falling asleep again from the very moment you start betting. But if so, by employing some of your methods, e.g., delayed bets on the progression, waiting for virtual hits after 6 misses, passive-agressive: not using progressions but betting minimum after missing 3 cycles until a hit, etc, you 'should' be able to stretch your bank-roll for long enough so that the eventual arrival of a succession of hits on your targeted line are able to swing your bank balance back toward break even or profit. Well, most of the time at least  .

CD

[ChickenDinner]

Still testing 6 number ATILA + VLS (line surfing-style) as per my previous post. I've now played 46 sessions (approx. 1,750 spins) and, to my amazement and joy, have still not lost a single session.

Test results from 46 sessions (mix of Hamburg, Dublin Bet and Coral's online RNG-based casino):

Average profit per session:         59 units (target is 30-50, 140 largest)
Average drawdown per session:  65 units  (300 largest)
Average spins per session:         38 spins=1 hour avg. (105 largest)

Time of play: approx. 44 hours
Wins: 46
Losses: 0
Profit: 2,731 units


While I've not tested this enough to get too excited yet, these results are very promising to say the least.
More people should get on this.

CD

[TwoCatSam]

CD

OK, I'm clear as mud as to what you're doing.  I'd like to follow along, but don't know where to start.  OK, you use six numbers.  A double-street?  One that has slept for how long?  So your Atilla would look like this at the beginning:

1 1 1 1 1 1 ......? 

Then

2 1 1 1 1 1

Then 2 2 1 1 1 1 and so on.......??

Yes, more people should jump on this.

I just don't know which way to jump!!

LOL

Sam

[xman1970]

Looks like there is a million & one ways to play this  


Great results so far Chicken Dinner......


Long may it continue......

[TwoCatSam]

NO! NO! NO!

Not a million and one............please!

Just one!!

LOL at the Xman!!

Sam

[xman1970]

Hey Sammy 


The way my mind is going, one way is going to be one too many......

[ChickenDinner]

Hi all,

Don't worry - perhaps there are not a quite million different ways to play this, but there are a hell of a lot. Only testing and tweaking will find the best way that suits the player.

After my testing, Sam, I decided to forget playing a fixed line or sleeping lines (I hate sleepers anyway) and just try and play what is 'typical'. So effectively, I'm aiming to surf a potential succession of hits by betting only when line 1 to 6 either repeats, or hits twice within 3 spins, but protecting my bankroll with a 4 window attack per line (until another line qualifies).

Even though you play 6 numbers (lines), you only have 3 bets per line: 1 on the street and 2 on its neighbouring street (1 on a split and 1 on the last hit number from columns 1 or 3). Or, if the last number to hit on the qualifying line was not from columns 1 or 3, I just play the last hit number on that line as my straight selction (always trying to exploit the phenomenon of repeating numbers).

As Victor suggests, I raise the bet 1 unit in this order: street, split, single number.

What I love about this system is its logic. It works because there will almost always be a line that decides to go though a cycle of hits beyond 'normal' expectation, and so we aim to be there to surf it when it happens.

I'm pretty sure that this system can only lose in the unlikely event that not only are the hits to each lines very evenly dispersed over the cycles, but also dispersed in such a way that you never get 1 line hitting more than twice in 6 (or 7) spins for over 50 or so spins. Or, it could fail if you get trapped too often between 2 lines that are hitting above normal expectations and are constantly alternating (e.g. 232323263...). I've seen this every so often and I'm thinking of incorporating a 'situational tweak' to exploit it.  However, it doesn't seem to last long enough to kill too much of your bankroll before that hit comes along.

In a typical 'easy' win session though, line 1 might, for example, be more popular for a cycle (e.g, getting 3 or more hits in 6 or 7 spins), then, the next few cycles will hit quite evenly, as per statistical expectations, (e.g., 165231245) and then another line will become popular (16523124522322). So this system has everything going for it: it tries to predict when a line is about to become popular, and attempts to surf the potential succession of hits within the attack window.

Victor uses a 6 window attack and delayed unit rising after a loss and also goes into virtual play after 6 attacks without a hit (which I only use for game entry).

While Victor might prove me wrong, my testing suggests that this way often takes too long to hit target profits, so my compromise was a 4-window attack and no delay on rising.

However, I think as long you try and ride the hits, rather than sticking to the same line, countless betting variations of a 'surf-style method' will be successful over the long term (whether it be 6 numbers, 9, or 12, situational entry, delayed betting, reviewed play after a dispersion of hits, etc). As Victor says, in a 'typical' session the hits are guaranteed.

As well as my session testing, I have also spent some time shoving Hamburg spins through RX to get a 'feel' for how lines behave; and the great thing is that I'm yet to see a table where at least 1 line does not become popular within these betting parameters.


CD

[TwoCatSam]

CD

Let's eat this elephant one bite at a time.  I quote you:

"1 to 6 either repeats, or hits within 3 spins, but protecting my bankroll with a 4 window attack per line (until another line qualifies)"

Is "line" to you a double street?  1-6; 31-31?  I'll assume it is.

So we wait for a double street to hit back-to-back or hit within three spins.  I understand back-to-back hits, but "hits within 3 spins" puzzles me.

Now, what does "4 window attack" mean?  You only bet four times or until another double street qualifies and then jump to it?

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Sam,

Sorry, I'm not being as clear as I should be.

Yes - a line is a double street (1: 1-6, 2: 7-12, 3: 13-18, 4: 19-24, etc)

You bet after either a line repeats, e.g., line 5 repeats: 1362(55): bet line 5 now, or if a line hits twice within 3 spins, e.g., 13641(525): bet line 5 now.

A 4 window attack means you bet that line for 4 spins only, e.g., 1362545(3165) - a win on line 5 on the 4th and final attack.
                                                                                                    LLLW

or until another line qualifies, e.g., 1362545(4124): you started out betting line 5 but immediatley switched to 4 as the last 3 spins showed 454. And won on the 3rd attack of line 4.

In this instance you'd bet line 4 once more also because you attack each qualifying line 4 times regardless of hits or misses (the 4 bet attack window)

Your 4 window attack applies to the most recently qualified line, so if new lines keep qualifying, you keep betting the line that has qualified for 4 spins. In some cases you'll be be betting a lot as you jump from line to line.

You're only concerned with the last 2 or 3 spins. You bet the 4 next spins if 2 of the same lines have hit within 3 spins or a line has just repeated (back-to-back) in 2 spins.

In a situation when line hits alternate, e.g., 24242424 - you'll be continously betting either line 2 or 4 or until one becomes the last 3 or 2. - eg 242424243615214 - you would spend the final 4 bets on line 4. And would have lost, so would then wait for qualification of a new line for you to bet.

I hope this makes sense buddy.

CD

[TwoCatSam]

CD

I think the word "twice" is what I was yearning for!

or if a line hits twice within 3 spins, e.g., 13641(525): bet line 5 now.

I'll work more later.

Sam

[ChickenDinner]

Yes  - 'twice' is the magic word that's missing here - i'll edit my post.

CD

[Boo_Ray]

[table=,]
Spin,Bet,Progression,LW,Balance
12
12
32
26
8
21
14
9
10,2ndLine,111,W,+9
32,2ndLine,111,L,+6
18,2ndLine,111,L,+3
10,2ndLine,111,W,+36
25,2ndLine,111,L,+33
22,2ndLine,111,L,+30
14,2ndLine,111,L,+27
5,2ndLine,211,L,+24
13,2ndLine,221,L,+19
10,2ndLine,222,W,+85
19,2ndLine,111,L,+82
9,2ndLine,111,W,+91
34,2ndLine,111,L,+88
3,2ndLine,111,L,+85
29,2ndLine,111,L,+82
11,2ndLine,211,W,+102
11,STOP,STOP,STOP,STOP
[/table]

I'm very happy with end result even If I would continue I would win on that 11

[ross_lawuk]

Hey CD

How do you place your bets if a number in the middle column hit last.

For example:
4 - 7 - 8. There's obviously a line repeater there and I get that you would bet on street 2 and 3. But how would you actually place the bets?

I've looked through all the advice for this system but can't find the answer (if it's obvious, I apologise)
Thanks
Ross

[ChickenDinner]

Hey Ross,

What I do is look at the last 15 (or 12) spins to see if an outside number has hit on the qualifying line. If so, the last to hit is my straight number bet. But if not, my straight no. bet is the last (obviously middle) number that hit on that line (eg, 1 unit bet on each of the 2 neighbouring streets and 1 unit as a straight no. bet on the last hit middle number). There might be better ways to play this, but my reasoning is toward always exploiting repeating numbers.

In your example, though, a column number is available, so I'd bet 1 unit on no. 7, 1 unit on 8/9 spit & 1 unit on street 10-12.

Watch out with your betting progressions though, if you go 6 bets without a hit, you wanna think about a suitable method for betting smaller amounts on qualifying lines until you get a hit. I've been testing a reverse progression system where after 6 misses, I start reducing 1 unit after every loss, going right down to 2 units during a dispersion (1 on the line & 1 on the straight) until I get a hit. Or, if my last losing (6th) bet was 11 units or more, my next bet is always 10 ten units and then I start reducing the bets, also down to 2 units if neccessary. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does I feel confident that I can ride out the dispersions without losing too much of my BR. Feel free to experiment though, there are many ways of playing this.

CD

Hope this helps

CD

   

[ChickenDinner]

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