TEST RESULTS: ATILA + VLS' Approach

[admin]

Here is the results for the ATILA played "a la VLS" from these threads:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1195507534 <> Atila Money Management
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196138798 <> VLS' Approach to ATILA + BET SELECTIONS

Methodology includes:
- Ideal-value play.
- Reset points as outlined in the Atila Main Thread.

Results for wiesbaden actuals as imported by Roulette Xtreme for date 2008-01-04 table #04:


Global count for the testing: +258.

[admin]

Side note: I did the whole 20080104_4.txt file, check this out:


It ended at 1.594, almost 60% return on initial bank. 59,4% to be exact...

( This doesn't add for the OFFICIAL unit count of the current test -of course-, just did it to know what was waiting next after stopping as per the "25% return & exit" rule: total +594 units  [smiley=lolk.gif] )

[admin]

We did it again!

+270



Global count was 258, adding +270 = 528 units in two sessions. Not bad, nope sir!



Just for the sake of it I completed the whole 356 spins for the file and it resulted in this:



Yes. We could have followed but better to be safe than sorry since this is gambling, so we leave global unit count at +528.

[pauljwpa]

is anyone still testing atila+vls  

[cps10]

Was wondering if there was anywhere where Victor posted continual test results for this.

[MattyMattz]

is anyone still testing atila+vls  

Actually, I've been testing this method alot lately.  I will post some results shortly... very impressive though to say the least.  (my last test,  381 spins, +463, largest drawdown -260, well withing my acceptable range)

I am using 9 numbers with Vic's Waker Meth. 

Cheers,
Matt

[ChickenDinner]

I've been testing my own 6-number-progression-variation of this, and while I'm still in the testing/tweaking stage, the results have always been very impressive - I'm winning about 9 from 10 sessions (using a 50%-65% stop loss and 10% target -  because it does sometimes fall over and can take a long while to recover - the way I've been playing it anyway ).

CD

[dongsongxanh]

Hi All,

I'm Phien, i'm from VietNam...

I've played roulette online for 2 months and i lose.....

i search on google and i know this forum...

VLSRoulette told me the way to win is "ATILA system" and i have tested it, the result is very impressive, i won 78 units for 60 spins...

Thank you so much, VLS!!!

[ChickenDinner]

These are my test results of the ATILA + VLS' Approach (playing lines). Please note that I played these sessions slightly differently to VLS: I only bet on a qualifying line for 4 spins and I rise the bet by 1 unit on every loss (using reset points after a win). Also, if I lose half my bank roll (which happened once), I stop and wait for a virtual hit before resuming play. (I also wait for a virtual hit at the start of every session before betting & if no hits after 6 bets I go into virtual again until I get a hit). I'm sure my results will not continue to be this positive, so I'm thinking of also playing more passively when I lose 50% of my bank roll (delaying the rise after a loss for 3-6 spins until things look better).

I'm playing with a bank roll of 500 units (£1 chips), aiming for about 10% before I quit, and the starting bet is £6 per line.

Anyway, here's the results for 11 sessions:


£98
£75.50
£142
£82
£48
£43 (quit early)
£112
£73
£28 (quit early)
£92
£100

Wins: 11
Losses: 0 

Total profit: £893, acheived in 450 spins in total (about 11 hours play)

The biggest draw down was £300 (once), the average draw down per session was about £70, average spins is 40.

I've tried all sorts of tweaks on this, with similar results - but I think the way I played these sessions suits me best, for now anyway...

CD
 

[ChickenDinner]

I've just won the another 7 sessions - That's 18 winning sessions on the trot since playing this way . £70 was the biggest draw down (£30 av), 50 was the most spins (30 av).

Still aiming for about £50, but quiting when I get close:

£30
£90
£30
£32
£42
£45
£48

I'm liking this vey much. It must (and will) fall over soon, though. I'll have a better idea when I hit 100 sessions. Shame it's not real spondoolies...

Chicken

[TwoCatSam]

Dancin' Chicken Man!

Look, I've wanted to know what's going on here since day one.  The links only take you back to the VLS home page.  Could you link me to the rules of this system?

Sam

[StarStar]

i only can find atilla money management..
i cant find atila+vls ...
pls help,,

[TwoCatSam]

I can't even find that!

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Sam,

I'm not sure where the original post is either, but here's the original ATILA:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/

Check the early parts of Anand's coaching thread in the VLS section for his low down on riding the cycles, and for where to place bets on the lines.

I'm playing it on 6 numbers (lines).

In a nut shell, rather than playing a fixed 6 numbers the whole session, instead divide the table into 6 lots of lines (1-6, 7-12, 13-18, etc.) and wait for 2 lines to show in 3 spins and then bet that the line repeats for the next 4 spins (I think Victor bets 5 or 6). If another line qualifies while betting, jump to that line and now bet that for 4 spins, and do the same again if required. You'll be jumping around a lot sometimes (I think Victor does this too). If after 4 bets and no hits or re-qualifiction of another line, wait until another qualifies before betting again.

I always use Victor's reset points when I'm recovering from a sucession of losses. Where I differ to captain Victor, and what I do have in common with the orignal ATILA, though, is that I rise after every loss.

It's also very important to be situational at the start of session and wait for a virtual hit before betting, and also stop and go into virtual again if you do not then get a hit within 6 bets. Repeat if necessary. Once you've had a "real" money hit, play the session out (although maybe this rule could be obeyed throughout as a further safety break).

Another thing I have considered, however, is if the same line re-qualifies itself during betting, should I continue to bet it for another 4 spins? At the moment I don't, but I am going to test this way if I lose faith in how I play it now.

Anyway, have fun with it. It'll be good to have your opinions. I'm not surprised it's one of Victor's favourites - it's proving amazingly successful, well so far anyway.

Victor is of course the man if you have questions about how it should be played. In fact, I'd really like to hear your opinions Victor, if you're reading this?

Cheers
CD

PS That dancing chicken avatar is already starting to anoy me... it might have to go...
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[VLSroulette]

I'd really like to hear your opinions Victor, if you're reading this?

As long as it works it is valid.

Mind you, ATILA's original plan was: pick a 9-number set and bet on it until you reach session goal or bankroll "dies". He isn't a fan of bet selection.

That didn't made too much sense to me so I started trying several selections, add pauses, riding cycles, and the whole "VLS" methodology.

My latest tweak (after tweak, after tweak, after tweak, after tweak, after tweak..... ) has been to try to stretch that 500-unit bank the maximum by betting 3 different-paying locations. Like this:



Sweet thing is the straight-up number will hit at a regular rate, as much as the split and the street and of course the whole covered line will present itself in cycles; they all will meet statistics -with standard deviations of course. This means there are guaranteed hits when playing at "typical samples".

When I get the time I'll explain in detail my passive-agressive methodology (Anand's thread) which I'm using for real money since some time now and is what I have come to the conclusion that serves as a big helper to win sustainedly, along with the 50% money-management for automated inter-session .

Some hints on "Passive-agressive":

3 keeps on being the magic number. After 3 missing cycles you never back a location: it may be the next's record-breaking occurrence, you never know.

(Remember the cycle is calculated like 36/<numerical coverage>. For 9 numbers, it is 36/9 = 4 spins. And so on)

i.e.
36/18 = Cycle for RED/BLACK = 2 spins.
2 spins x 3 (cycles) = 6 spins.
After 6 spins you never back an even chance location to appear, all your attacks must be done within 3 cycles from target betting location's last appearance.

Another example:
36/6 = Cycle for a line = 6 spins.
6 spins x 3 (cycles) = 18 spins.
After 18 spins of absense you never back a line to appear.

And it goes all through roulette's betting location, till 1 number.
Cycle for a single number = 36 spins.
36 spins x 3 (cycles) = 108 spins.
Those 108 spins are the very maximum "window" to hunt a fixed number. After that you let it go as much as wishes.

That in regard as to the eligible betting locations in my framework and for how long to old a bet: You only do the ones that are maximum within a 3 cycles and hold your bet for a maximum of cycles too. 3 as our "magic number".

For not complicating too much, I'll say that when dispersion of hits arrives, better to be betting the minimum, and I mean the very minimum allowed at the location. This minimal bet holds for as long as dispersion of hits is in place (PASSIVE part). Then after it ends (a hit appears) we can adjust our progression acording to the total amount of units lost by this minimal-betting, and hunt a possible concentration of hits to cancel the deficit (AGRESSIVE part), so effectively, we end up using our progressions where it makes more sense, at the positive tram and surf dispersion with minimal loss; unlike the martingale that "bets the house" precicely when things are going bad.

Cancelling losses in a positive tram (a.k.a concentration of hits) is what for instance consistent winners like Lanky do with his 6-point plan. He regresses the bets more slowly, substracting 1 at a time from the divisor, while at my framework we regress to the very lowest amount to bet allowed at the minimal sign of the beginning of any dispersion.

"Hits will come", "there are guaranteed hits as you can't lose more than math says"...

...yes, but we better be proficient at identifying dispersion for regressing and keeping units to still have life in our playing banks for when those hits apprear.

Regards,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

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