Fundraising for Cancer Research UK

[Bayes]

Some people have specific genes that make them more susceptible to diseases like cancer and heart disease.

There seems to be increasing recognition in medicine that a one-size-fits-all solution is inadequate. It's easy to forget that medicine/biology are very young sciences. Only 100 years ago or so, the medical profession consisted largely of snake-oil salesman. There are still plenty of them around today, but at least we have a greater understanding of the complexities in the human body, and progress IS being made in cancer treatments. Survival rates in some cancers are double what they were 20 years ago.

In some cultures, cancer and heart disease pretty much doesn't exist. It is the food, water and lifestyle mixed with genetics.

So yes, what you eat and what you do with your body is the primary cause of heart disease and cancer. Again some people are more susceptible to it, but you greatly reduce your risks if you treat your body right. The solution to these major problems are very simple. Do you think there are people out there that dont profit billions from cures not being found?

According to Wikipedia -

Cancers are primarily an environmental disease with 90-95% of cases attributed to environmental factors and 5-10% due to genetics.[2] Environmental, as used by cancer researchers, means any cause that is not inherited genetically, not merely pollution.[7] Common environmental factors that contribute to cancer death include tobacco (25-30%), diet and obesity (30-35%), infections (15-20%), radiation (both ionizing and non-ionizing, up to 10%), stress, lack of physical activity, and environmental pollutants.[2]

It is nearly impossible to prove what caused a cancer in any individual, because most cancers have multiple possible causes. For example, if a person who uses tobacco heavily develops lung cancer, then it was probably caused by the tobacco use, but since everyone has a small chance of developing lung cancer as a result of air pollution or radiation, then there is a small chance that the cancer developed because of air pollution or radiation.

It does seem to be the case that cancer is primarily a western disease, so what do we do that non-westerners don't? Lack of exercise and large amounts of sugar seem to be among the primary differences. So we can certainly take action to reduce the risk of cancer by modifying our diet, taking more exercise etc, but there is no evidence that it can be CURED by an alkaline diet or baking soda, as prescribed by 'Dr Death' and his ilk.

The fact that there are people who profit from cures not being found doesn't mean that those who profit are responsible for those cures not being found. You need something much more concrete than that. Where's the smoking gun?  If that were the only evidence in a court case it would be dismissed as mere circumstantial. Suppose in the street where you live there's a spate of kids going around smashing windows. One explanation of why they did it would be to think of who would benefit, you conclude therefore that they were hired by the local Acme Window Company. Alternatively, it could just be that they were a bunch of bored kids and there was no ulterior motive at all.

Someone is always going to be making a profit somewhere, and there are always going to be some people unhappy with the way things are. It's so easy to make a connection and conclude that A caused B because A benefits from B, but it's an invalid argument.

Take this accusation that a cancer cure is being suppressed: I hate to point out the obvious, but in such a case it would reasonable to ask where exactly is this cure which has been supposedly suppressed? if there's no corpse to be found, it's pretty hard to prove there's been a murder!

As for this triuth eventually leaking out, thats like saying "if roulette was beatable, everyone would do it".

I don't think that analogy is applicable at all. In the first place, hardly anyone plays roulette, and out of those who do, an even smaller % believe that it could be beaten, whereas virtually everyone has a family member or friend or someone they know who has had cancer (my stepfather died of bowel and liver cancer when he was 53). Winning at roulette isn't a matter of life and death (well, maybe in this forum it is  ). It's not the universally emotive issue that cancer is, and motivation is present in vast numbers of people to find a cure for cancer, but in only a comparatively tiny number of people to beat roulette. More people who have a vested interest means more chance of a leak.

Steve, one of the things which just seems odd and implausible to me in all these conspiracy theories is the implicit notion that there's an US and a THEM. "THEY" are out to bleed us dry or kill us deny us opportunities or whatever. But who are "THEY"? The fact is that THEY are just people like you and me who have all the flaws inherent in being human. Unless you believe that THEY are jewish lizard people like David Icke says...

Sure, there's lots of ignorance and stupidity, so what else is new? there have always been struggles for justice and equality throughout history. Are you really saying that things are getting worse? It sure doesn't seem that way to me. The internet and technology has made a huge difference to societies in terms of freedom and exchange of information (just look at the Arab spring for an example of its power). People ARE 'waking up', and maybe it just SEEMS worse because you're aware of more bad stuff going on, as everyone is these days, thanks to the media and internet.

You say 'Do your own research'. Ok, well firstly, I agree with you that whatever the media says should be taken with a large grain of salt. In general their business is to improve ratings or sell newspapers or whatever, not to communicate the truth. But there is good journalism out there too. The thing is that most people HAVE to rely on experts, few people have the time or inclination to do their own study. Experts are necessary, if they didn't exist we wouldn't have had the advances in technology and knowledge. There is so much information available today from various sources that the most urgent need IMO is to learn how to sift through it and discriminate between what's garbage and what's not. People need to learn how to be more objective and rational, and that's not something which comes naturally, but it can be taught. So it really comes down to education.

[crackers]

Bayes, you would be wiser to view the entire documentary. I doubt that
he is a quack.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Wikipedia chickened-out. They bent over to the same lame argument that
the FDA has made. It's the worst crime in history. Watch the documentary
before you get used in someone else's propaganda war. This is too big to
ignore.

[Steve]

Bayes, you mostly repeated what I said, which is good that we agree on those points.

As for how effective ph and oxygen is, you can do your own research and decide. Nobody argues cancer does not do well at all in high oxygen alkaline environments. But it thrives in low oxygen and acidic environments. So why are cancer patients not immediately advised to change diet? Why just nuke them with radiation? The truth is we have to start somewhere, and changing diet is becoming more common advice. But like I said before, and you said too, it is not the be all end all solution. But certainly is a huge part of it. If you put crap in your body and treat it like crap, it will react like crap. Have you ever poured sewerage into a fish tank and watched the fish? I have... not. but I can guess the outcome.

As for who are THEY? Rockefeller family, Bush family, Cheney.. its a long list, but these are people and families we see. Heavily into banking mainly. Again we are not dealing with conspiracy theories. It is what is happening. For instance, research where money comes from, the federal reserve and what it really is etc. Is it really that hard to believe that there are people in big business that would rather make billions and maintain control than care for our health? Remember, what Hitler did in Germany was legal too.

Did you know the Bush family financed Hitler's campaigns? Oooh conspiracy theory... I'm crraaazy... Well, sorry but it is FACT. Check it. They assisted war starting. The war was also greatly helped by bank loans, then the depression in Germany that followed. Hilter came to power partly because people in germany were desperate for change. Bring people to their knees, and you can get away with murder. While you may argue there was not direct influence, the elite control via banking and debt, so it is indirect. You really need to look into it all to see how devious and clever it really is.

Actually yes, things are getting worse. And I believe they are about to get worse, before they get better. Focus on the finances and DEBT. That is the major tool of control via banking.

Anyway we mostly agree on points, but respectfully you need to do more research on what is going on. The more you dig, the more you'll be appalled and wonder how on earth we could be so stupid and blind. I can tell you now what these people are doing is not human. It really is in every sense absolute evil. But they dont see it as anything more as:

* the masses ALLOW themselves to be controlled and manipulated (they are right)
* it is natural order and survival of the fittest. It is their right to take control (again they are right, but onyl because they are allowed by us to take control)

But for any moral person, the manipulation, the intent and all is what makes it wrong if you consider good to be what is best for all, rather than best for the few.

Very importantly, we shouldnt blame these people. We should blame ourselves for allowing it. They know this. We should know this. If we dont take responsibility for our own lives, then we are what they consider us to be.

[RobbieD]

Thanks for those positive replies to my original post. Just to let you know my daughter raised £1,000 for Cancer Research.

[RobbieD]

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