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#### ben10

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August 17, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
One of the biggest mistakes that I notice many players make is that they do not optimise their progressions. So whats this all about?

Lets take a basic 12 step progression for 12 numbers:

1
1
2
3
4
6
9
14
21
32
49
75

with a bank roll of 2604 units. A win on any step should put you in a profit situation. But what happens on a loss? You lose 2604 units obviously, but how long would it take you to recoup the loss and get back into a profit? With the above progression, on AVERAGE you would recoup your loss after 363 wins. which is a long way to go. But by optimising your progression into larger wins and not just making a profit after each step, you can drop the recoup phase down from 363 to say 200 which is a much better way to play (you will however need a slightly larger bankroll)

Something to also consider is to miss 1 or 2 steps of the progression by waiting the step out. Now instead of playing 12 steps, you only play 10 steps at a lower bankroll and a higher optimisation.

My aggressive system has an average recoup of 30, so if I lose my progression, I make it up in 30 wins (which has not happened thus far) I have won almost 2000 sessions without a losing one, which equates to about 60 bank rolls.

The morale of the story is to optimise your progressions so that you recover any losses in as few wins as possible.

#### insidebet

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August 17, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
What if you lose twice in a row???  And you better believe it, it WILL happen.

If your supposed HG is based on a steep progression, you are in for a shock.  Progressions are NOT and NEVER will be the answer.  This is so much beginner s stuff...

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#### ben10

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August 17, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
When I lose the first time, then i'll think about the 2nd time, almost 2000 and going strong, recovered 60x my bank roll so far...

p.s
I never got the memo telling me that progressions are for beginners, if it works, just use it

#### Nathan Detroit

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August 17, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
Even positive progressions without consideration  of  a regression or a  double  regression  are also a dangerous  venture !

N.D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Example of a positive  progression: The  Charles Guetting  progression among some others of equal footing.

#### Nickmsi

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August 23, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Someone on the other forum posted this Money Management system and it may be what Ben was talking about optimizing your progressions.  In any event, it is an interesting read.

Basically this is a 6 step progression that is both a Positive and Negative Progression.

If you Win or Lose on the first step, you increase your bet on the second step.

The idea is to win 2 out of the 6 steps, hence the name 2-6 Bet.

Do you think we can apply this to roulette?

Nick

#### crackers

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August 23, 2012, 12:51:06 PM
7 & 3; any even chance streak of 7:

You are in profit after third winning step.

7 ----take 2
12 -- take 4
20 -- take 8
32 -- take 16
48 -- take 32
64 -- take 64
64 -- take 128

The best way to do this is to get about ten wins for each step. After you have
ten wins at 7 you move up to 12 for an aggregate ten before moving up again.