the best system

[pins]

the best system i have seen on this board is.  on the dozens.  we will call them  dozens i. 2. 3. wait  till you get five spins in a row with only two of the dozens showing.  then back the dozen that has not shown.  the bet is.1.2.3.4.6.9.13.20.30.45.67. tell me if you have a better system. good punting

[Natural9]

It will fail eventually that session from hell will happen

There is lots going on in here Lankys and Victors Lw method for dozens is one of the best but it is a grind method one unit at a time

Mr Chips is getting some impressive results as well but the one up above is doomed i think

Dozens can sleep for 20 spins

Regards Rodney

[JHM]

the best system I have seen on this board is.  on the dozens.  we will call them  dozens i. 2. 3. wait  till you get five spins in a row with only two of the dozens showing.  then back the dozen that has not shown.  the bet is.1.2.3.4.6.9.13.20.30.45.67. tell me if you have a better system. good punting

Better use on rows . I'm testing a system on rows right now with spins from the test area.

[bjb007]

Rows/Columns will tank faster that dozens.

[TwoCatSam]

"Rows/Columns will tank faster that dozens."

I've heard this before and would enjoy reading a lively debate on this.

Sam

[ChickenDinner]

Pins, what you think is the 'best system' is simply a disaster waiting to happen. You'd have to be mad to play like that. There's a chance that a dozen can go to sleep for 35 spins or more.

If you're prepared to do the research and testing, there are some great strategies on this site - and it's full of great money management advice too, which is equally important.

CD

[VLSroulette]

Hello Pins, and [smiley=welcome/welcome02.png]

Explosive progression systems are a no-no in my book; better to use staking plans that allow for a slower rising (downside: more hits to recoup).

I know getting all of lost units with only 1 hit is sweet, but dispersion of hits is a killer. I have only been able to use proficiently those systems known like "grinds", all of them have something in common: slower rising of unit amount and they all require more than 1 hit to recoup... This is why they are such a grind! -But hey as long as it works

P.S. Precisely that is the best system, the one that works for your own personal actuals and the one you are confident with, the one you have seen rising and know when it is falling to take proper decisions.

Regards.

[JHM]

Rows/Columns will tank faster that dozens.

Right now I'm working on a system which only uses rows, so far testing:

Spins: 674
Wins: 440 (in units)
Loses: 320 (in units)
Total: + 120 (17,8%)
I calculated to make 17%, so far so good.

But still need to do more testing. I had 9 cases in which if it didn't hit I would have to reduce by 80 per lose. So only 2 more loses would have made the total result - 40. But that is not the case.

If I have done enought testing and after 2.000 spins it still is profitable I will post.

[Wildcard]

 I would recognize your writings anywhere, pins, or should i say zawe49 ??  Welcome here. 

Actually i had been wondering about you since i lost sight of you after VIP´s disapperance.

Nice to have you around. Your systems have always made me think about ways to bet so feel free to keep them coming.

___

  JHM, even if it´s not profitable (which it is ), post it anyway - who knows what can emerge from that !!

[JHM]

Oke I will. I'm done testing so far.

This is the system.

You play 2 rows with the martingdale progression, but not double your bets but triple your bets to win back your start bet.

* the first spin you don't bet, let say it hit's 1
* you start playing rows 2 - 35 and 3 - 36
* you keep tripling your bets until it hits, your progression is depending on the length of the session you plan to play.
* If you have lost don't bet until it hits. Than start over.

I've been testing on sessions of 100/100/100/98/100/100/100/100/99/100/100/100/123/387/113/51 = 1871 spins.
Spins are live spins from the Actuals / Permanences (twocatsam and anand).

The longest run was 8 hits in one row.
The most hit after 1 - 2 times.
In total 1212 hits in 1871 spins, this makes 64.77 hits per 100 spins
I calculated 4 progressions

The first progression is the one that should make some cash.
You play a progression of 4 total. The first spin is on the house and than you bet (1/3/9) on the unhit rows/columns.
You will lose 1 turn (1+3+9*2 rows = 26 units loss) in 81 spins (3*3*3*3=81)
You will win 64.77/100*81 = 52.46 per 81 spins
Your profit would be 28.54 = 29 units p. session of 100

With this progression the result was:
Wins: 1212
Losses: 40 x 26 = 1040
Result: +172
Result in %: 9.19 %

Other progressions results.

Progression 5 total 1 spin on house + (1/3/9/27)
Result: +3

Progression 6 total 1 spin on house + (1/3/6/9/27/81)
Result: -724

Progression 7: total 1 spin on house + (1/3/6/9/27/81/243)
Result: - 972

All negative.

[TwoCatSam]

I am happy to see my scanned numbers are being used!

Thanks J

Sam

[Tucktuckster]

i wish i had a proper system.....

i am close to developing some but here is my small parts.

i have played the dozens / rows a lot. i prefer rows because of stake size. you can play on something like dublinbet with 50 cents on a double row or line, so 1euro on a 12. if you use a marty or an aggressive progression you will get the killer run. - i tend to start low and take a small quick win as a bonus since no stress. i wait until 8 or 10 without a show and i normally track hits in last 15 which has to be 3 or less. if 1 or 2, then i may go in after 6 or so.

as to progressions - i tend to bet the 1 euro, 1 euro, 2 euros, 2 euros, 3 euros, 3 euros, 4 euros, 4 euros.

i am against letting it get out of hand cos thats what kills you. it doesnt matter if you end up getting a hit and being down since you can recover the loses over the next spins played. A nightmare such as 12 spins or more before a hit can be recovered to a breakeven session whilst an aggressive progression = loser. with a 250 bank, its easy to make 50u in most sessions like this in an hour or two. when its a bad one, breakeven and walk is fine.

I find john solitude is a steady old one, but i like to keep the sectors above 9. i also tend to leave it for a couple beyond where he said to enter. so if he says go in on 12, i look to enter around 14 and save 2 spins on a lost bank. okay - i dont win as much, but the extra 2 spins are psychologically good since on a loss, you have saved a third of the bank.....

i also play sleepers. after 36 spins i record sleepers. say you have 12. if after 6 spins none of the 12 hit, then i play them.... Winkel has lots of data that shows how many sleepers you get on average after say 40 spins and 50 spins. this seems pretty reliable in that if say after 40 spins you are down to 12 sleepers and after 46 none hit, you will get a hit in 5 spins. pretty easy progression to figure out there without costing much.....

i have also tinkered with last 15 numbers out. wait for the last number out to not be one of the last 15 and play all last 15. pretty rare not to get a hit in around 4 or so spins, but beware, it can happen with all things. likewise - if the last 3 or 4 numbers were in last 15 - then play ones not in last 15. very rare for these to go to 6 in last 15!

One i am looking at currently is using the parachutte. i use a website that gives yopu the sleepers in last 100 spins. seems to me a good option to wait for one of those to wake and use the parachute to make 7u. Since you start on even money -its £5 per u, but 35u as a target on a 180 bank is again cheap....

[TwoCatSam]

I use a website that gives yopu the sleepers in last 100 spins

What website would that be, tuck?

Sam

[Tucktuckster]

williamhill.com

they have a live section in vegas.

you click on the history and it gives you hits by number for the last 100 spins. so you get the sleepers and you get the hot numbers.

typically there are 1 or 2 sleepers. occasionally none, sometimes 3 or 4 or so.

reliable site and the sort of company in the uk tht wouldnt risk a corruption scandel so probably quite safe (big uk plc)

[JHM]

I am happy to see my scanned numbers are being used!

Thanks J

Sam

You're welcome. And thank you for sharing.

[JHM]

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