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[Wildcard]

JHM, Thank You for sharing 

It seems there might be some potential about your system. Do you think there´s a difference between using ROWs and COLUMNs and why ? And why noy use both at the same time... I would also consider betting only after a row (or column) repeating... It should at least give us a "free spin", resulting of course in less betting opportunities, but inflating the chances of success a (tiny) bit.

Cheers.

[Lanky]

Oke I will. I'm done testing so far.

This is the system.

You play 2 rows with the martingdale progression, but not double your bets but triple your bets to win back your start bet.

* the first spin you don't bet, let say it hit's 1
* you start playing rows 2 - 35 and 3 - 36
* you keep tripling your bets until it hits, your progression is depending on the length of the session you plan to play.

Hi JHM

Just to make sure I have got this right.
Are you saying that if Column 1 comes.
We then Bet Columns 2 & 3 with a 1 3 9 27 Progression ??

From what I see here if I am right of course you are betting on the JC= Jump the last Column that just Came.
Or in other words you are betting against the same Column repeating.

EG

1 =Bet 2/3 columns
5=W=Bet 1/3 columns
33=W=Bet 1/2 columns

So if I have understood this correctly you are betting against the L in the JC.
EG

1 =Bet 2/3 columns
19=L=Keep betting 2/3 columns
31=L=keep betting 2/3 columns

Am I correct in the way that I think you are Playing Mate

Your Friend

Lanky

[JHM]

Oke I will. I'm done testing so far.

This is the system.

You play 2 rows with the martingdale progression, but not double your bets but triple your bets to win back your start bet.

* the first spin you don't bet, let say it hit's 1
* you start playing rows 2 - 35 and 3 - 36
* you keep tripling your bets until it hits, your progression is depending on the length of the session you plan to play.

Hi JHM

Just to make sure I have got this right.
Are you saying that if Column 1 comes.
We then Bet Columns 2 & 3 with a 1 3 9 27 Progression ??

From what I see here if I am right of course you are betting on the JC= Jump the last Column that just Came.
Or in other words you are betting against the same Column repeating.

EG

1 =Bet 2/3 columns
5=W=Bet 1/3 columns
33=W=Bet 1/2 columns

So if I have understood this correctly you are betting against the L in the JC.
EG

1 =Bet 2/3 columns
19=L=Keep betting 2/3 columns
31=L=keep betting 2/3 columns

Am I correct in the way that I think you are Playing Mate

Your Friend

Lanky

You are almost correct. You bet 1 3 9 (than quit). Because I assume you will play sessions of 100 spins. The first spin is free, than you start betting the other columns. (3*3*3*3=81 spins). As you can see in my post before, progression with 1 3 9 27 has only +3 in 1871 spins. With the 1 3 9 it was +172.

I have downloaded new spins from the Actuals / Permanences, and will do some more testing.

[JHM]

JHM, Thank You for sharing 

It seems there might be some potential about your system. Do you think there´s a difference between using ROWs and COLUMNs and why ? And why noy use both at the same time... I would also consider betting only after a row (or column) repeating... It should at least give us a "free spin", resulting of course in less betting opportunities, but inflating the chances of success a (tiny) bit.

Cheers.

For columns, i don't know. I haven't tested columns. But it should give the same results in long term.

I don't understand:

''I would also consider betting only after a row (or column) repeating... It should at least give us a "free spin", resulting of course in less betting opportunities, but inflating the chances of success a (tiny) bit.''

Please explain.

[TwoCatSam]

Not being overly picky here, but in all my readings I've never come across "row".  What is a row?

Sam

[Wildcard]

You play a progression of 4 total. The first spin is on the house and than you bet (1/3/9) on the unhit rows/columns.

I guess I failed to understand the sense of this part when I read it the first time, so nevermind my comment about the repeating row or column, because that´s exactly the same as you are saying, isn´t it ? ?  Correct me if am I wrong.

Lanky, good cobber, this is what I think JHM means:

Let´s talk dozens for arguments sake... say number 7 is spun (dozen 1) ... Now you target dozens 2 and 3.

But he mentions a 4-step progression OF WHICH the first step is virtual play (no bets layed)... then, on the 2nd step of the progression you bet 1 - 1 ...... on the 3rd step, you bet 3 - 3 and finally on the fourth step you bet 9 - 9, for a total of 3 bets on 2 dozens at the same time...

>>> In my opinion, what in fact he is doing is simply waiting for a dozen to repeat, then betting a 3 step progression (since the first step is the repetition of the dozen, so no bets there).


  EXAMPLE:  

  SPUN #    |                                   COMMENT                                               |     BET          

      7        |   dozen 1        (virtual bet on target dozens  2 and 3)        |    no bet     
    29        |   dozen 3        (virtual bet on target dozens  1 and 2)         |   no bet     
    34        |   dozen 3 repeated so we begin actual play                       |   1 - 1 (units placed on dozens 1 and 2)      
    31        |   dozen 3 repeated once more (LOST BET)                        |   3 - 3 (units placed on dozens 1 and 2)      
    30        |   dozen 3 repeated yet again (LOST BET)                          |   9 - 9 (units placed on dozens 1 and 2)
    11        |   dozen 1 (WON BET - virtual bet on target dozens 2 and 3) |  no bet


    If the calculations he made are correct ( I am mathematically challenged ... lol ), this should be a fine system if the darned losing streaks stay far from the player.

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  By the way, JHM, have you considered the "zero" effect on your calculations ?

[JHM]

Not being overly picky here, but in all my readings I've never come across "row".  What is a row?

Sam

Nr's
1
4
7
10
13
16
19
22
25
28
31
34

That's a row. There are three row's. 1-34 / 2-35 / 3-36.

[JHM]

You play a progression of 4 total. The first spin is on the house and than you bet (1/3/9) on the unhit rows/columns.

  By the way, JHM, have you considered the "zero" effect on your calculations ?

Yes I have, see below:

I tested on 1871 spins and got 1212 hits.

Mathematically seen, you can say 1871 / 37 * 24 = 1213,62.

If you compare the test 1212 hits to the math 1213,62. You see that this is really close.

I have been testing now and had some freaking sessions from hell  . Hope to get a lot of hits in the coming numbers

[JHM]

For dozen, it should be played like this.

Dealers Spins
* 1 (dozen 1)
* We start playing dozen 2 and 3
* 36 (win)
* We bet on dozen 1 and 2
* 34
* We bet again dozen 1 and 2
* 12 (win)
* We bet dozen 2 and 3

[MattyMattz]

Not being overly picky here, but in all my readings I've never come across "row".  What is a row?

Sam

Sam,
I may be wrong, but I believe row=column...

MM

[TwoCatSam]

I should think so....

[Wildcard]

Quote from JHM: " I have been testing now and had some freaking sessions from hell  . Hope to get a lot of hits in the coming numbers "

Now, that´s the interesting angle i keep coming to.  Will the system recoup from losses ?

What should we do when we come out negative some 4 or 5 sessions in a row ( "row" as in "sequence"  )  ? 

Should we keep going until further sessions bring us profit, or this really doesn´t apply as we don´t get such amount of negative sessions ?

If i only knew this ...  lol 

[JHM]

Quote from JHM: " I have been testing now and had some freaking sessions from hell  . Hope to get a lot of hits in the coming numbers "

Now, that´s the interesting angle I keep coming to.  Will the system recoup from losses ?

What should we do when we come out negative some 4 or 5 sessions in a row ( "row" as in "sequence"  )  ? 

Should we keep going until further sessions bring us profit, or this really doesn´t apply as we don´t get such amount of negative sessions ?

If I only knew this ...  lol 

I will answer your question soon. I had sessions with 4-5 losses per 100 spins. And other sessions with 0-1 losts per 100 spins. So I need to complete some more sessions.

[JHM]

Oke, done some more testing. Not positive, slightly negative. Total is still positive.

Spins: 2639
Wins: 1737
Loses: 1534
Total: 203+
Profit p. 100 spins: 7.69 (%)

You have to play big money if you want to make some money out of this. I will test some last spins and after 3.000 total I'll decide if the system is profitable.

The spin / profit ratio is to low imo.

[Lanky]

>>> In my opinion, what in fact he is doing is simply waiting for a dozen to repeat, then betting a 3 step progression (since the first step is the repetition of the dozen, so no bets there).

@ Wild Hi Mate....No Cobber he is not doing it that way....he is betting that it does not Repeat.
As is seen by His post underneath.

For dozen, it should be played like this.

Dealers Spins
* 1 (dozen 1)
* We start playing dozen 2 and 3
* 36 (win)
* We bet on dozen 1 and 2
* 34
* We bet again dozen 1 and 2
* 12 (win)
* We bet dozen 2 and 3

OK so now we have established that this is the same as playing the JD or JC = Jump over the last Dozen or Column that just came.
Or in other words bet against the Last Dozen or column that Just Came.

As it is above it would appear like this in the Lw notations

1-
36-W
34-L
12-W

.......................................................

OK so if it goes

W = You win
................
L
W= You win
.................
L
L
W= you win
....................

L
L
L = You lose the 1x1,3x3,9x9 progression Right JHM

After this has happened you start again with the 1,3,9 progression Right
...

I am leading up to something here and I hope to be able to be helpful as well.

But first I have to make it crystal clear that we are talking about the same thing.

Your Friend

Lanky

[Lanky]

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