A good alley or six pack bet system !

[rewm]

Hi.. Ive been playing around with what seems to be a good , safe double street/ six pack betting system. I'd like some feed back if possible . So far it seems to work well at the land based casino i play at. I wouldn't recommend it rng but it may do well , never tried it on-line. Its best to play touch bet because you don't  play every spin.

I will try to explain how i play it hopefully you can understand it.
First it consists of 6 sets of six numbers :
#1 - 1,2,3,4,5,6
#2 - 7,8,9,10,11,12
#3 - 13,14,15,16,17,18
#4 - 19,20,21,22,23,24
#5 - 25,26,27,28,29,30
#6 - 31,32,33,34,35,36

When you bet you bet so that it takes 1 bet (chip) to cover all six numbers.
Some people call it a double street, an alley , or a six pack.

I don't usually play with zeros but i include them in my tracking.

I bet it with a progression: 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-4-5-6-7-9-10-12-15   total cost of progression is 83 chips .
I will first do a quick example of how to track :

# is where the ball lands.
S is what set it belongs to.
T is how many spins until the set hits again.( this number is written only after the set hits again)
E is explanation of what to do.

#-S-T-E

8   -  2  - (5 )  -  8 belongs to set 2
28 -  5  -  (2)  -   28 belongs to set 5
5   -  1  -  (10) -    5 belongs to set 1 ( pretty basic )
29 -  5  - ( 7) -   29 belongs to set 5 , set 5 has hit before so we count the spins it took 2 and write it in the 28 #
32 -  6  - (11) -   32 belongs to set 6.
12 -  2  - ( 1 ) -    12 belongs to set 2 , set 2 has hit before so we count the spins it took 5 so we write it in the 8 #
8   -  2  - ( 3)  -  8 belongs to set 2. go back and count spins . it took 1 so we write it in the 12 #
13  - 3  - ( 1 )    -   13 belong to set 3. i will stop writing what set it belongs to it should be easy now.
18  - 3  - ( 13)   -   count how many spins it took for three to come back and write it in . it took 1 so we write it in the 13 #
8  -   2  -  (7 )   -  count to see how many spins it took to come back. it took 3 so we write it in the 8 #.
25 -  5 -  (3)     -  count how many times it took for set 5 to hit again . it took 7 so we write it in the 29 #
20 -  4  - (3)    -  first time set 4 has hit.
1   -  1  - (6)    -   count how many spins its been for set 1 to hit again. it took 10 so we write it in the 5#
27 -  5  -  (4)   -  count how many spins for set 5 .it took 3 so we write it in the 25 #
19 -  4  -  (6)  -  count spins for set 4 . took 3 so we write it in the 20 #. hopefully its been easy so far . just count the spins since the last set hit and write it in.
35 -  6 -   (7)    -   took 11 spins for set 6 to hit again so we write it in the 32 #.
7 -    2   -  (3)  -   took 7 spins for set 2 to hit again so we write it in the 8 # .
28 -  5  -  (6)    -  took 4 spins for set 5 to hit again so we write it in the 27 # .
1 -    1  - (13)   -   took 6 spins for set 1 to hit again so we write it in the 1#
7 -    2  -  (6 )   -   took 3 spins for set 2 to hit so we write it in the 7 #.
                   That was the last leaderboard number so we have caught up now we can get ready to bet !
                    Now comes bet selection and how to bet. We have to review the numbers and come up with whats the best looking thing to bet.
                   look in the T row and see how many times it took for a set to hit again.
                   We don't want to choose a number that's too low or we will lose our progression, and if we choose a number to high it will take to long to play.
                   The best bet is a number between 6 and 10 . Lets choose 7 because it is there twice , once for set 5 and once for set 2.
                   So we will bet that a set of numbers will hit again in 7 spins of the ball.So to do that we have to count back and see what set to bet.
                   So we count back and find that the set we will bet will be (# 27 - 5 - 4 ) set 5 , but we won't bet because it already has a 4 in the T row.
                   We only bet if the T row is empty and always stay with the number you choose don't jump around . We want a 7. So we wait for next spin.
21 - 4  -( 9) -   21 is the next number out and it is set 4 . it took 6 spins so we write in 19 #. We count back to see if we have a bet for next spin.
                  We find that its (19 - 4 -  6 ) set 4 . But theres no bet because we have a 6 in the T row. Wait for next spin.
18 - 3 - (3)  -   18 comes up . 18 is set 3 .  it took 13 spins for set 3 to come back so we write in 18 #. check to see if we have a bet for next spin.
                  we see that if we count back we get (35 -6- -) set 6 . its a bet the T row is empty so we bet 1 chip on set 6. And wait for spin.
33 - 6 - -    lol  set 6 hits . these are real numbers from local casino. we win  + 5 chips !. we count back and write 7 in the 35 #.
                  We count back and we get (7 - 2 - 3 ) which is a no bet it already has a 3 in the T row.Wait for the spin.
25 - 5 - (3) -    set 5 comes up and we see it took 6 spins to come back so we write in the 28 #. We count back to see if we have a bet (28-5-6) no bet .
                  T row has a 6 in it we want a 7 still . we wait for the spin .
13  - 3 -(6) -    13 set 3 comes in we count back and fill in the T row if possible. it took 3 spins to come in so we write in the 18 #. We look for a bet .
                   counting we find (1-1- -) set 1 . The T row is blank so we bet 1 chip on set 1. ( we won the last bet so we start the progression over).
                   we wait for the spin.
9  -  2 - (2)  -  set 2 comes in we lose ( -1 chip) . We see it took 6 spins for set 2 to come back so we write in the 7 #. we count to see if we have a bet.
                 We see (7-2-6) No bet  the T row has a 6 in it we wait for next spin.
29  - 5 -(2) -  we count and see it took 3 spins for set 5 to come back so we write in the 25 #. We count to see if we have a bet .
                 we see ( 21- 4--) . we can bet set 4 next spin . We bet set 4 with step 2 of our progression which is 1 chip. wait for spin.
11- 2 - -   set 2 comes in we lose  (-2 chips) . we count and see it took 2 spins to come back and we write in 9#. We count and see if we have a bet.
                we see its (18-3-3) no bet row T has a 3 already. wait for spin.
26 - 5 - -  we count and see it took 2 spins for set 5 so we write in 29 #. We count to see if we have a bet .
                we see (33-6--)  we bet set 6 with step three of our progression which is (1 chip) and wait for spin.
21 - 4 - -   Set 4 comes in we lose . (-3 chips) . we count and see it took 9 spins for set 4 to come back so we write in 21 #. We count to see if we have a bet.
                 we see ( 25-5-3) no bet T row has a 3 in it . Wait for spin.
15 - 3 - -   we count and see it took 6 spins for set 3 we write in 13 #. We count and see if we can bet .we see (13-3-6) no bet row T has a 6. Wait for spin
4    1  -  -   we count and see set 1 took 13 spins to come back in we write in 1 #. we count to see if we have a bet .we see (9-2-2) no bet row T has a 2.
                  we are still looking to get a 7 in the T row . So we wait for the spin.
21- 4- -  set 4 we see it took 3 spins to come back in so we write in 21 #. We count to see if we have a bet (29-5-2) no bet T row has a 2 wait for spin.
00 -  - -  zero . no need to count back . We check if we have a bet (11-2- -) we can bet set 2 . we are on step 4 of our progression so we bet 2 chips on set 2
18 -3- -   set 3 comes in we lose (-5 chips ) we count and see set 3 took 4 spins so we write in 15#. we count to see if we have a bet .
               we see ( 26-5- - ) we can bet set 5 with step 5 of our progression which is 2 chips. we bet 2 chips on set 5 and wait for spin.
26 -5 - -   set 5 comes in we win ! we get 12 chips ! a profit  of 7 . plus our profit of 5 from our first win were up 12 !.

Hopefully you can follow my example . This is the first time i have tried to post a betting system.
With this session we wanted to bet that a set of six numbers would hit again 7 spins later .
With a little practice it gets easy to see what to bet and when.
I prefer taking the luck out of the equation and playing a system that tells you what to do and when .
If you choose a T row number that is too small you will find you are betting too many times and you will run out of the progression.
If you choose a T row number that is too high you will be playing a waiting game to bet . But i have found the higher the number the safer the win will be . it will just take forever to be able to bet.
I will check back and try to answer questions if you have any.
It isn't fool proof but if you stick to the guide lines i believe it gives the player a good chance to win.
Please test it if you get a chance I'd like to hear your results !

Thanks and happy spinning ! Rewm
                 

               

[leroy]

You put a lot of work into this. Would I play it? No. Just too much tracking.

Your progression is 83 units.

If I was going to risk 83 units on the Double Streets I would approach it from
a different angle...

Example:

Outcome 4
Bet 1 unit on the 1st DS.

Outcome 8 - Loss

Bet 1 unit on the 1st and 2nd DS's.

Outcome 14 - Loss

Bet 2 units on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd DS's.

Outcome 20 - Loss

Bet 5 units on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th DS's.

Outcome 26 - Loss

At this point I would be down 29 units and would switch to playing one or
two dozens to make it back.

Another option, since you are willing to go with a 16 step, 83 unit progression,
is to wait for a dozen to sleep for 4-5 spins then bet on it.

You are very good at tracking. Perhaps the method at this thread would interest you.
vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.0
It is VERY profitable.

[schoenpoetser]

The double street method is suitable for more strategies. First you have to know that every six numbers has a chance  1/6.
Hs an event not fallen in 12 to 18 spins ,then you may expect the event will fall within 10 spins Therfor I use the betting scheme 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-.
The first event, a double street has not fallen in 12 spins.
The second event, a double street has not repeat.

A repeat of a DS take place on average once in 6 spins. Three consecutive DS take place once in 36 spins. The influence of zero is very small.
After two consecutive DS ,I play the other 5 DS.

A 4 spin sequence falls in 6^4=1296 spins. An other strategy is, you expect this row will not repeat.

Assume the next sequence has fallen: 4-6-2-5.

Now you expect the next sequence  is not  4-6-2-5.

Your bet is 1 unit on 1-2-3-5-6 . If the 4 has fallen then you can decrease your bet 5x. Your bet is 1-2-3-4-5-.

All these strategies belong to the game of the dices.

[schoenpoetser]

The double street method is suitable for more strategies. First you have to know that every six numbers has a chance  1/6.
Hs an event not fallen in 12 to 18 spins ,then you may expect the event will fall within 10 spins Therfor I use the betting scheme 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-.
The first event, a double street has not fallen in 12 spins.
The second event, a double street has not repeat.

A repeat of a DS take place on average once in 6 spins. Three consecutive DS take place once in 36 spins. The influence of zero is very small.
After two consecutive DS ,I play the other 5 DS.

A 4 spin sequence falls in 6^4=1296 spins. An other strategy is, you expect this row will not repeat.

Assume the next sequence has fallen: 4-6-2-5.

Now you expect the next sequence  is not  4-6-2-5.

Your bet is 1 unit on 1-2-3-5-6 . If the 4 has fallen then you can decrease your bet 5x. Your bet is 1-2-3-4-5-.

All these strategies belong to the game of the dices.

[harryj]

   They are also called 'LINES', 'SIXLINES', 'SIXAINES' and a lot worse when they fail to show up on schedule!!!

    I have bet 'Lines' for many years now. I feel that they are by far the most versatile bet available. They are easy to track, and, because on the European wheel they are randomly scattered , they are not heavy sleepers. They conform readily to the 'Rule of Thirds' and form easily spotted 'Trends' and 'Patterns'.

    There are dozens of ways they can be bet, and if you backtrack this forum you will find many that will suit your style of play.

   Personally if I am betting on a single 'line' I use a much milder 16 step progression. 1.1.1.1.1.2.2.2.2.3.3.3.4.5.6. 7  This is about 1/2 the cost of your's. Sure it takes some small loses along the way, but I prefer to absorb a small loss if the progression starts to linger. If I do lose a progression I have enough left to try again.

    Lots of luck       Harry

[schoenpoetser]

I have programed in a knew 250 spins excel sheet how many times a sixlinen will not repeat. In nearly every sample a sequence of more than 20 no repeaters occurs.

[leroy]

You posted two methods schoenpoetser.

The first one is easy to understand and it works great.

(After two consecutive DS ,I play the other 5 DS.)

I don't understand the second.

"Assume the next sequence has fallen: 4-6-2-5.
Now you expect the next sequence  is not  4-6-2-5.
Your bet is 1 unit on 1-2-3-5-6 . If the 4 has fallen then
you can decrease your bet 5x. Your bet is 1-2-3-4-5-."

I assume 4-6-2-5 is the sixline locations and not single numbers,
since that is the topic?

If so, what does the bet and progression mean. Having trouble understanding.

Thanks!

[rewm]

Hi ..Thanks for the interesting replies . I have had good success still playing the way i tried to explain. It seems confusing at first but really is an easy thing to follow with some practice. The nice thing is its just one double street and it will tell you when to bet. You don't bet every spin and you change with every bet . I think you will be pleasantly surprised to see how stable this is. Thanks again for the ideas !

[schoenpoetser]

The second method is based on the SSB principle.
I donot expect the last sequence of 4 DS shall not repeat.

Assume the last 5 DS are 3-6-4-6-1. 1 Is the last DS. I donot expect 3-6-4-6-1-3-6-4-6-1.

First bet after DS1  is 1-2-4-5-6-.You expect not the DS3  Has DS3 fallen you have a hit and start again.No hit the second bet follows.
Second bet  Expectation no DS6 Bet DS 1-2-3-4-5- . Now bet 5 units No hit the third bet.

Expectation DS4 shall not fall. Bet DS 1-2-3-5-6.

I cannot advice this system, because  the progression is too large. I shall show you an excel program.

[leroy]

Thank you, perfectly clear now.

Looking at your excel sheet you win the first 11 bets and lose the 12th.

Your next bet is 25 units, which I do not understand why you would do that.

You are betting 1 unit on 5 sixlines, lose and increase it to 5 units on 5 sixlines.

Would not a better progression on 5 sixlines be 1,2,3,4,5,6...?

I also notice you never lost two in a row, 197 spins with a 97 unit profit. Seems
like a strong system and worth playing.

[leroy]

I answered my own question testing this. 1,2,3,4,ect does not recover.

Now I see why you would not recommend a progression to recover on a LW, LLW
or LLLW scenario, very dangerous and steep.

Since it hits so often why not just take a 5 unit loss and make it up betting EC or
Dozens.

Another idea is instead of sticking to the same sixline, like in your example, you
are betting against one sequence (3-6-4-6-1-3-6-4-6-1-3-6-4-6-1-3-6-4-6-1)
maybe have a rolling sequence based on the previous 5 spins. Betting whatever
sixline 5 spins prior, will not repeat. Even this really amounts to luck but if it hits
more than it doesn't and I can make up a 5 unit loss easily on a different bet, it
might be worth testing.

[schoenpoetser]

If you understand the program ,you will discover after every the program takes a new 5 spin row. In this case I did not programmed a stop in the last 10 spins of the sample.
In practice you must always finish a session with  a hit.

For the ECs and the dozens. I have also SSB excel sheets.

If you are familar with excel then you can do also experiments.

[schoenpoetser]

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