A post from Compa61 made me think...

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i know from previous posts that the "Pros" here have a sophisticated and well developed bettingplan for instance. Will one share that knowledge? It looks like a no

This is the part which made me think. I answered:

I have shared. Lanky shared. Sam shared...

We do not have "knowledge greed" around. Reading the non-sharing part actually hurt a bit [smiley=undecided.gif]



As a side note, facing the game in an strategic way, you can't teach how to play exactly like yourself, because we are conditioned according to past experiences. But at least the basis can be taught.



Well guys, if you have questions about some system/strategy come forward and ask, show that you have put the effort in reading and are genuinely stuck at comprehending a part of what has been exposed.

I would advice not to come and ask: pass me on some system to make X or Y amount/day... because mostly you'll get an answer "a la Sam": if you want it, you have to work for it!. (We can only guide, but you must sweat yourself testing what suits better to you.)

...or just like happened to compa, no answer...

I apologize to compa for not having answered with a system to make $100/day (bankroll starting at $300), but I certainly do NOT have that wonderful system.

I can only say let's learn from this one. Besides, I offered 1 on 1 assistance, just not precisely meeting his requirements.

Also, I published a similar answer to fellow user gazrobbo here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=3143

"£40-£50/day with a £50 bankroll is asking way too much from a system"...

Yes, that's a return of 80%-100% which is unrealistic for most of us to make in a regular daily basis. How I wish we could get our hands on a system delivering those percentages steadily!!!

...but we are not. So we must play with what we have which is an entirely greed-less low return, and a fair-sized bankroll to give a fight and stand a good chance.



@newcomers

Be certain you are welcome to ask, but -kindly- get your goals straight.

A reality check is this game is darn hard when it comes to variance and you must be a very special individual to succeed in this.

As long as we do not have the mechanical-play holy grail to make all the decisions automatically without human intervention, what is left then is human-based SKILLS to separate the winners from the losers, (and of course, there is always a "luck" factor, but with regular luck you can succeed if you know how to manage yourself and your money).



Guys, even if I'm not a 100% full-time PRO, I am making more than half of my income from the wheel, it is possible.

...But it is extenuating, it makes you at times want to get out from the casino running out through the exit door (i.e. when sessions resolve by only a few very large bets on moments which demand you fully).
This type of money source is uncertain since you can't have a totally reliable income    -because of what I said, no matter how good of a player you are, there is still a luck/timing component on the formula...

All in all, roulette is a wonderful game which for someone like me living at a 3rd world country brings an opportunity I wouldn't otherwise have.

If you can only play for entertaining, then only do it by all means, but if you need to play to supplement your income, you have to play it like a total PRO. Get informed, read, read, read. You -newcomers- have it very easy with the plethora of information there is online. Having to recur to hard-to-find gambling books and word-of-mouth to learn new techniques is a thing of the past. By querying the internet from any major search engine you can get to more information than newcomers from 30 years ago. (i.e. the seventies/eighties).



Remember: There is no dinner served, what is there are the ingredients for you to "cook" your own dish.

And even if you don't get the food served on the plate, believe me, any old timer can tell you it is a blessing to have the raw material right in front and available, so you don't have to "reinvent the wheel" for every try.

Best regards, and a big hooray for the information technology.  [smiley=cool.gif]

Your friend.
Victor.

[Advantage.Player]

Well put Victor; i know where your coming from  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

When i first got here i was thinking wheres the "Holy Grail one and only system explained board" but as it turned out there was none   even with all the knowledgeable people here

[size=12]Instead i met the best roulette forum i have come across with a nice open community that likes a good chat even better than what i was looking for.[/size]

From then on and after reading all the posts i heard of a Lw system, so after some looking and asking i came to Victors Lw strategy that had its own dedicated board  

From there i read, re read and read some more of the 3 variations of the strategy.

After that i sat down at my wheel and was about to try it out and thought hang on  :-? - i don't actually know how to use it because what i read wasn't like any other system explanation i've read before hand - like if this comes up bet here, if you lose triple bet or what ever; that is because Victor, Lanky and Sam weren't teaching us a system; but explaining a strategy and how they use it.

[size=12]When you come to think of it no one can make you play like them, but you can adapt it to you style/needs.[/size]


And as Victor said, you have to cook your own dinner - even if i (for example) found a system that was "the Holy Grail" i still probably would tweak it.

This "cooking your own dinner" is what makes system and strategy play fun isn't it - rather than copying some one else ideas/thoughts you can make your own and share them.

So i guess i just wanted do back up what Victor said and i can see where his coming from - you cant have a system "given" to you that makes x dollars with y bankroll - on the other hand look around the forum, ask questions if stuck and sure enough you will come out with a system for your needs.

Just a side note - Victor are you sure VLS doesn't stand for Victor, Lanky and Sam?!?! LOL i just noticed that  

Cheers all  [smiley=beer.gif]

[Lanky]

Just a side note - Victor are you sure VLS doesn't stand for Victor, Lanky and Sam?!?! LOL i just noticed that    

ROTFLMAO@Advantage.Player

Lanky

[Lanky]

Well people I guess it's time for me to have a say here now that I have quietened down a touch.....And I am Pleased that I did because I most probably would have said something that I would have regretted.

Yes those sort of post hurt Us people that go out of there way to help others.
To walk the extra mile so to speak.

And to be perfectly frank its not in the Nature of the Family Here At the Forum to say those things either.....We have and its all due to Victor an attitude of excellence that exist here & believe Me that won't be found on most other Forums.

Compar Has apologised on the other Forum to Victor So its all over Now.
But Let Me give You a little insight.

Why do they hurt ?   Lets see if I can give a little insight into that.

Take Me for instance on the other Forum that was just hacked I have close to 600 private messages.
I probably would have even more on Victor's other Forum because I got into the private teaching or helping of others that were either trying to learn or better their lot in life by getting some units from roulette.

There is no reason to think that Sam would be any different to me.

So between us two we would have about 2400 private messages that we have received & of course answered.

I guess the emails would be half that again so now we have another 1200 to add to the 2400 which would bring us to 3600  since April this Year.

Now throw Victor into the Mix & lets say His is twice that amount.
Which of course it would be more but for this example we will use that.

So that's about 514 letters Per MONTH that Just Sam & I have to receive & answer

Victor is answering 514 Per MONTH.Himself

All of these figures do not include one single post that any of us have posted Yet.

And there is a multitude of them to be done as You all know.

Yes we are down on troops as there appears to be no word from Sam as yet & Victor & I are doing our level best to keep up with it all.

I think that RONJO has realised this & has stepped up to the plate to be counted & try & take some of the pressure off Victor and Myself.

And I for one would like to personally thank Ronjo on behalf of Victor & Myself for doing that.

Remember Victor & I still have to get some sessions in ourselves so we can get some Money from Roulette as well.

Victor has the extra burden of getting this Forum up to date & making it the best that we have ever had & he deserves a bloody big Medal for doing all He does.
The Man stays up to past 3am talking to Me & sharing his vision of what He wants for YOU the MEMBERS.

In the mean time we both work so we have commitments in that area as well.

Then we have Beautiful Wives & Families that have to be looked after who sacrifice their time with US so We can service the need to You the Family Here at the Forum.

And without their Help Love & Support We would never be able to do what We do.

Then there is what is happening in the future that we are trying to fit in as best We can.

Like this Sat**day around 12 noon Australian time Victor & I are going to play a real session together in the Chat Room so that You that are interested can watch & see what we do & why & when we do it And if that can be arranged there will be plenty of Questions that have to be Answered.

Then there is The Testing of Ronjo's new System that has to be done for the same reasons as stated above in the session with Victor.

And both of these can only benefit You the Forum Members.

Also Witho  Ronjo Victor & Myself  have taken it upon Ourselves to deal with that Hacker...The punishment will be decided once the gender of that person is found out.
ROTFLMAO

So Please be patient We will never let anyone of You down We will always be here to Help in anyway we possibly can.

We may not be able to get to You as quick as You would like Us too
Because We may be busy  HELPING OTHERS at the time.

Now I hope that all of You have a better insight into what is really going on.

And this has been the edited version of what I really wanted to say.......LOL

Next time because I have a Wife that is fighting an illness & I have a Dicky Heart & a Fat arse.
I may not be so polite.

Your Friend

Lanky

[Compa]

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[Lanky]

Compa61

Mate that's fine.

And you see My Friend I don't use any of those computer gadgets I do it all by
Hand & eye Co-ordination.

Some people get the Sh*ts with me because I don't download & use them.

The only software I ever used was the one Victor first put up.

I knew You were talking about a 400 unit bankroll mate.

And if I had to reply I would have told you to try & win 2 to 3 % with it each session until You built it up.

I thought I would be wasting Yours & My Time by telling you to Win only 10 units at a time.

As that was clearly not what you were after Mate.

Now Lets all forget about it.

And get on with making this the best Forum there ever was.

And Mate If I can help You in the future just ask & I will be there Cobber.......You can bet on it.

Your Friend

Lanky

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 Compa, my mate, no need to be hard to yourself. What's done its done.

Now, I thank you for stepping by your words and. I understand your feeling, and you can be sure we "VL" (Victor and Lanky, the "S" -sam- is disappeared from the "scene" at the moment...) team are here to answer your questions, concrete questions regarding the strategy.



First I'd say to start by posting a set of your own generated Lw's at the Strategy-play section. This will certainly demonstrate you are trying.



By the way mate, I noticed you were talking about a 300/400 bank, the I just said 100/day as an average from your 70/120 bank... maybe I also should have averaged to 350 when talking your bank.

I also mentioned the 50 bank wasn't from you, but from here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=3143



The morality to learn is this: In school, you don't go to the "professors lounge" saying: "would you hand me out the solution for this math problem and do the calculations for me?", you better go and say: "I'm stuck at finding the solution to this problem because in my calculations X keeps on being different to Y, would you help me refine my calculations to find the right value for X?".

You'll have better chances to get a welcoming, "let's see what formula are you using"...

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P.S. in roulette, there are many different formulas from many different people to achieve the desired value for "X" at the end of the month.

Some people's formula are even contradictory when contrasted to each other; what one says works, the next one say doesn't work. This is why self-experience and testing is so important to determine [highlight]what suits each person[/highlight].

In the end, what we all look for in our personal formula is this result:

X = $$$  [smiley=grin.gif]

[Compa]

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Perfect compa!

Generate and practice mate, you'll see the patterns form, you'll see the patterns trend, you'll see the good/bad times in the winning/losing cycles alternating.

Looking forward to share experiences. I recommend you the 6-point plan as money management. Lanky and I are a team. I provide the Lw bet selection observation, he provides the suitable money management.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Very best regards,
Your friend.
Victor.

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