Group Play with a difference

[Proofreaders2000]

You could play Group play the other way and play the group with the most hits after 10-15 spins.

[toby]

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[Talesman]

I will continue testing like I have been in previous posts, but will also incorporate this Rev progression to see if I can get past 4800 units just to see if it can hold up. Something tells me that if flat betting is still above water, the Rev progression could win a lot of money on Finals in a short amount of time.

Keep us informed of the progression outcome.  

I like the part about "win a lot of money on Finals in a short amount of time" and probably the key would be to not get greedy so you can keep it.  Call me a worry wart if you care to but I believe that if providence is smiling at me I take a bit and move on.  Greed eventually gets punished by those same gambling gods that bestowed the original good fortune.

[Talesman]

aah.. Tony Dean... I have bought his system before last time way back in VIP.  hehe..

sort of works on European Wheel.  lost the file since  :-)


cheers to all, happy winning!
BobbyBobby

I was really miffed when the forum sort of made Tony a pariah when he announced he was going to sell a system.  He was a great contributor and had lots of good ideas.  Can't blame him for quitting. 

W/o revealing the exact plan, what was it he sold?  I have always been curious about that.

[WhiteKnight]

I really liked Tony Dean's method as posted over at VIP.

I'll try to relate it as best I can.

Tony said to wait until a final appeared on an accurate marquee (correct spelling, BTW, as a "marquee" is a sign whereas a "marquis" is a title of nobility) within 2 or less of each other then bet that final for up to 7 spins.  Now he never defined exactly what "2" was so we had to surmise.

Ex: 0 15 2 18 31 22.  There I'd bet the final of "2" as the 2 and 22 are separated by two numbers.

Usually a d'Alembert works as a progression and helps keep the BR in check. I generally quit any progression once I am in higher profit.

Tony also only bet on one qualified number at a time. I bet all the qualified numbers as they appear.  You never know which will win.  That sometimes requires pencil and paper tracking so be prepared.

His method works exceedingly well on my collection of 00 actuals and has yet to fail me in live play. Albeit some days I have to spend more time at a table than I care to in order to come out ahead (of previous profits).

The original post in this thread isn't all that shabby either.  Both deserve a try. 

Get rich and famous.

Thanks for this post Talesman...I have tested a variation of this last nite and in haven't lost in 1952 real live wheel spins, for a total profit of +810 units....the most drawdown I had at any time was 180 units...here's the variation

First wait for a qualifying opportunity before betting to make sure that the table is hitting...i.e. 0 15 2 18 31 22, now we wait for "2" final to hit before we actually start betting at this table, 9, 27, 28, 12 <--- hit, so we can began betting the next time a signal comes.  The progression I have been using is that I bet 1 unit on all finals for 9 spins, if win within 9 spins, great, if not, I raise to 2 units for 9 spins, then 3 units for 9 spins, havent gone past 3 stages yet. 

What I found to be important though, is as soon as the dealer changes, stop betting but remember the stage you were at in the progression, wait to see that this new dealer will qualify before betting, as explained above, then after a hit, wait for next signal, and continue where you left off in progression from previous dealer.

here's an example from live wheel:

5
0
0   signal, check to see that table will qualify
26
0    HIT, now at next signal can begin betting
7
17 <--- bet on "7" final   9 spins x 1 unit
31
36
6
0
17  HIT   +21
33
17
3   <-- signal to bet "3" finals
13  HIT   +53
11
5
32
33
8
32  <-- signal to bet "2" finals
1
20
2    HIT  +77 
21
30
4 
8
3
3   <-- signal to bet "3" finals
4
2
9
9
34
6
29
15
11    -- 9 spins without win on "3" finals, and now new dealer begins so must wait for qualifying table before resuming progression

NEW DEALER

14
28
25
28  <-- signal, check to see that table will qualify
34
25
20
20
20
22
15
31
18  HIT, now at next signal can resume progression
11
17
13
34
18
23   <-- signal to bet "3" finals  9 spins x 2 units
24
22
20
8
12
6
16
24
17     <--- bet "3" finals, now 9 spins x 3 units
5
31
34
24
19   
14
23   HIT, -7 units
15
13
5    signal to bet "5" finals  9 spins x 1 units
10
23
19
18
15   HIT +9

and so on, on this particular table, I was able to finish +68 units over 274 spins, this is in testing, but many times I was +150 units, and if playing for real money, I would definately exited then, but I wanted to see how it would go over the entire 274 spins that I tested...

[coolpaddy]

Hi Toby,

It's good to hear from you again. The win rate of the final group has been good enough so far to allow for recovery when it is needed. Whether these groups are any better than other finals play is the question. I have tried streets, lines and various other mixes of wheel and table based sets but so far I have had much more reason for optimism with these particular groups. I am looking also at one other variation which at this very early stage of testing looks stronger.

@Proofreader2000, playing the dominant group was the first thing I looked at. It does have some very strong runs, but I believe that the finals play is a better bet. Any test data you have for playing the dominant group versus the final group would be much appreciated. As I stated in an earlier reply this is very much a work in progress. Thank you for your input.

Hopefully between all of us working together there will be an improved winning strategy which will stand the test of time



                                                                Best regards     

[Talesman]

WhiteKnight be careful of what you post.

So far it is Spike, you and I who belong to that exclusive "dealer change" club.  The [alleged] 'pros' here unequivocally state that dealer change has no bearing whatsoever.

So ...shush!!!  Don't upset the applecart.  You don't want to be burned at the stake for being a heretic, do you?   LOL!!!

Happy to hear you did well on your variation.

When all else is failing I always seem to migrate back to playing finals.

I may bump my play up to 9 spins vs. 7 and see how that works out.

Time will tell.

[17black]

Hi Comrades

I have always been fascinated by these groups of numbers which were brought to my attention by Tony Deans system referred to elsewhere in this thread.
The great debate has always been whether one should adopt a course which reflects the numbers trending in the hope that the trend will continue or to adopt a course of pursuing numbers which are yet to appear in the hope that their turn is now due. Both strategies no doubt have their merit, with me personally leaning in this difficult choice to those numbers which are trending - I have been badly burnt by pursuing numbers which just remain cold for too long for my liking.
With this in mind I have tested the following variation - In a series of 10 spins mark which group of numbers have hit more than twice. Then follow those groups by backing them for another 10 spins or until the desired profit is achieved. After 10 spins recalculate and start again. Only bet when there are at least two groups which have hit twice or more and if necessary go back more than - spins till a qualifier is found.
Check it our preliminary testing is quite amazing.

Cheers to all

[Spike]

wait to see that this new dealer will qualify before betting>>>

Thats a good way of putting it. Only experienced players realize that a new dealer might or might not spin what you're playing. The kitchen table players just assume every spin from every dealer is exactly the same and you should ignore dealer changes. Its their money to lose, let them lose it.

[Talesman]

Spike, at least there is someone with their eyes wide open who fully understands how the table works.  I really do like the way he thinks.  My kind of player!

It's sad, in a way, that those of us who do that are in the minority.  Perhaps that's why we usually do well where others may fail.

It doesn't cost a thing to sit back and let the new dealer spin off a couple and observe what the results are.

[MattyMattz]

Spike, at least there is someone with their eyes wide open who fully understands how the table works.  I really do like the way he thinks.  My kind of player!

It's sad, in a way, that those of us who do that are in the minority.  Perhaps that's why we usually do well where others may fail.

It doesn't cost a thing to sit back and let the new dealer spin off a couple and observe what the results are.

Very True.

[Lanky]

Hi Matty.

Mate the thing I notice most about a Dealer change is what Kimo Li taught 3 Forums ago, that is if there there is a section/numbers that have not hit under the past Dealer it/they can hit with the New Dealer.
This does happen a lot.

Cheers Mate

Lanky.

[TwoCatSam]

Talesman

Let me quote you and ask a question:

"It doesn't cost a thing to sit back and let the new dealer spin off a couple and observe what the results are." 

Are you making the statement that you can tell in a "couple" of spins what the dealer is going to do?  If you are not saying that, would you please tell the audience exactly what you are saying?

Sam

[hoper35]

Hate dealer changes when I'm winning 

[rjl]

Hi,


Can anyone care to explain how do we get the "clock sets" mentioned by Mr. Chips?


Thanks,

Rjl

[rjl]

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