Why can't I get this sucker to lose?

[ChickenDinner]

Just for fun, I was playing around today with a little flat betting system I made up, and to cut a long story short, I was amazed to find that I couldn't get the sucker to lose.

The system (if you can even call it a system) is this:

Every spin you make 5 bets, on all the outside selections: All the ECs and 1 on a dozen, 1 on a column.

Bet selection: the above 5 bets target the last hit number. Eg, no. 5 was the last hit number, so you bet: Red, the small numbers, 1st Dozen, Odd, & middle column.

Win or lose: repeat the above, flat betting.

After about a 800 spins, my biggest draw down was 18 units, and while I finished only 60 units up, it never looked in danger of losing, rather it just slowly, very slowly that is, made profit. Maybe I was just lucky, but I expected the opposite to happen.

This seems to be the safest, and probably the most boring, system in the world. But if you want a low risk system that you can play for hours without losing, this might be it.

The logic behind it is that you will, eventually, catch a trend of something.

Because it's so damn simple and obvious, it must have been done before, but I would be interested to see how it performs on RX. I'd imagine it would be a very very gradual decent if run over millions of spins, but I'd love see it because I can't believe how well it stood up for me.

Cheers,
CD

[codegenic]

I like the concept of this, only it seems to do better if you double the stakes, betting 2 units on each outside bet and throw in the smallest possible unit bet on zero. This should make up for losses and then some during gameplay down the road.

Just a thought, great idea though.

//Codegenic

[madupz4]

It's funny that you posted this because for the past two weeks I was testing the exact same thing except without the dozens' and column's.  I was testing all 3 even money bets, betting the last to come or the most common of the last 3 results, ALL FLAT betting.  I couldn't believe that I was always going up up and up!  There are times where you go down and other times where you seem like your running in place, but the typical trend is your bankroll is steadily increasing.  For those that play roulette on a routine basis, you know that streaks are a common place and I "think" that there are more streaks than the anti-streak.  I "think" that is the reason why this could be a safe consistent long term winner.  There are no progressions, just flat betting!

[Proofreaders2000]

You could call it "Chicken Dinner's Secret Sauce"

[ChickenDinner]

@ Proofreaders2000 - Chicken Dinner's Secret Sauce - not bad! Maybe even Special Sauce!

@ codegenic - interesting idea with the zero, but the only problem would be a sleeping zero, and plus since you get back 50% on all the ECs, the zero hitting is a small loss of 3.5 units, which is nothing to worry about too much. Maybe a zero parachute could work though - after it hits, bet the zero corner for 4 spins, then a zero split for 14 spins, then the staight zero for 18 spins - or something like that.

@ madupz4 - Glad to hear you're having similar results on a similar system - I tried with the ECs & my bank roll started to slowly decend, albeit very slowly, but it might have even recovered if I'd kept playing. So I'll have another look at that.

But I'll keep testing with all the oustsiders for now as I like the fact that you've got an even higher chance of breaking even or winning.


I'll try this again today with a 500 BR, betting 5 unit chips. I can spin about 500 spins an hour on the RNG I'm using, so it shouldn't take too long to see if this sucker is still winning.

Cheers,
CD

[JHM]

Tested live @ dublinbet for approx. 30 mins. Started with BR 500, from spin 1 went under 500 and never got above. Ended with BR 400.

You may consider to also cover 0. I hitted 3 0's in 30 mins. After losing 2 0's I started to place 1/5th amount I bet on the EC on 0. When I had played 0 from the start. I would have ended 540.

[Shorty]

How many spins did you play approximately JHM?

[JHM]

How many spins did you play approximately JHM?

I don't know, did live play, think around 25-30

[ChickenDinner]

Just played 500 spins, went down 50 units, then recovered, then went down another 50, gained back 40, then went down 30, and got stock there...I have not the patience to see if it would have recovered again...I think this is in need of a serious tweak!

[Iwonder]

I have posted a spreadsheet in the download section for this.  I would have to agree, only run 2000 numbers through so far, but it hasn't broken yet.  I will be interested to see others results.  The spreadsheet takes 1000 numbers at a time, paste the first number in cell A2 and the total units up or down will be displayed in L2.
Happy testing

[ChickenDinner]

Hey Iwonder, thanks for the spreadsheet.

There seems to be a problem with the even and odd calculation though, it always shows Even for me??? and only losses when a 0 appears.

Can you tell me how to fix this?


Cheers,
CD

[ChickenDinner]

Hi - I managed to fix it. But for me it is showing a loss nearly every time .

However, I think it might work a lot better if it stops betting on a selection as soon at it loses once and bets again as soon as it repeats once.

That way, it is zoning in on a particular trend and will not lose on the bets that are not trending. I've tried this myself with good results, but I've not had time to test it properly yet.

Cheers,
CD

[hermes]

The sucker will lose if there will be a choppy table for while. I did bet this strategy long time ago with 50 Sfr. on each last coming EC and was winning for some time over 500 Sfr., but then it went down and pretty fast. You need develop the feeling when to step out. The combination with the dozens and columns could stabilize the strategy. The problem is that the 3 ECs never synchronize. E.g. if B/R do streaks the other 2 do chops or similar. Probably smarter will be to bet always streak if you see a streak, and chop if you see a chop. Follow the trend.
Hermes

[hermes]

Better Try is to bet each time the opposite of the previous result e.g. came black, low, and even than bet next red, high, and odd.
Progression:
If lost 1 of 3, decrease 50% on all    e.g. 10/10/10 next 5/5/5
If lost 2 of 3, increase 50% on all     e.g. 10/10/10 next 15/15/15
If lost all 3, increase 100% on all      e.g. 10/10/10 next 20/20/20
If won all 3, decrease 100% on all (or go to minimum bet). e.g. 10/10/10 next 5/5/5 (if $5 minimum).
It worked for me long time ago.
Cheers Hermes

[ChickenDinner]

Cheers Hermes - I'll give that a try.

[ChickenDinner]

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