Matyika/Mr.Oops => X.Y.Z. Formula for Winning

[bliss]

@ kacso, is this the same one?

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[JLP]

@ kacso, is this the same one?

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Arteinvivo posted it :
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I have the english version but unfortunately i don't understand the system. I am not sure what you mean exactly.

Maybe someone would like to check it out :

1. Collect the spin-results as long as you have a number turned up 5 times.
2. Cross out every former number up to the first showing of this number.
3. Play this number "masse egale" 13 times, and continue to collect the spin results as above.
4. Should a second number turn up 5 times, play it 13 times too, cross out every # turned up former until only 1 number remains with 4 uncrossed sign and continue "1" to "4" as long as you lose 300 unit or win as described at "5"-"6".The Number-crossing makes it sure, you are always at an optimal "time-window" where the leading numbers will be only 2 to turn up five times. The average of 2 first fifer to be the "first sixer" is well over 75 % !
5.1 Should you win and the saldo is +19, than stop.
5.2 Should you win and the saldo is +20, than play the winning Nr. once with 1 unit and stop.
5.3 Should you win and the saldo is +21, than play the winning Nr. once with 2 unit and stop.
6. If saldo is more than +40 you play only with 20 chips @ 1 as long as you either win (and repeat the process) or lose the 20 units.
7. You should have 300 unit Bankroll.
8. Should you lose with the tactic 23 times in one row, (23 fives did not turn up in squence) then your Bankroll is off as you lost 23 x 13 = 299 chips.
9. Newer play "marathon" !!! If you want to play several partys in one "sit in" do not forget to cross out every number until all 5-s and 4-s are off !!
10. Never play more than 2 Numbers. If a third No. turns up 5 times at the same party, ignore it.We are interested only for the first and ev. 2-nd fives !!!!!!

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Is the same system.

JLP.-

[kacso]

we bet 1 unit on all numbers who appears 5 times  in a 75 spins session...for 13 spins.....and we bet 2 chips for 1 spin on a winner

did I miss something ?

thanks

So is correct.

[JLP]

Hi kacso,

I don´t understand what he refers to the crossing of the numbers - for what??
¿Someone?

Cheers,
JLP.-

[kacso]

I think the strategy is here at the beginning of this topic. Just follow it step by step
without changes, everything is here what counts.
Otherwise I have no right to publish something without permission, but it is not necessary because
the most important description is there.

I tested it on my own 0-00 wheel with high speed version (ball must go round at least 12 times in one
direction and the wheel 12 times in the opposite direction) to avoid any "targeting".

The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.

But as "matyika" pointing out "testing only on ca.2000000 spins is not enough, if you do a second test
on an other 2000000 spins, may be you will loose".

His criterion of winning: the strategy per saldo must be always in +.
An other criterion is mentioned by him: this is from Dr.Allan Wilson - you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".
Up to now I "doubled" up 3 times, the fourth and fifth is still "waiting". Sometimes I have to work too,
roulette-testing is only for the evenings or nights.
   

[JLP]

I think the strategy is here at the beginning of this topic. Just follow it step by step
without changes, everything is here what counts.
Otherwise I have no right to publish something without permission, but it is not necessary because
the most important description is there.

I tested it on my own 0-00 wheel with high speed version (ball must go round at least 12 times in one
direction and the wheel 12 times in the opposite direction) to avoid any "targeting".

The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.

But as "matyika" pointing out "testing only on ca.2000000 spins is not enough, if you do a second test
on an other 2000000 spins, may be you will loose".

His criterion of winning: the strategy per saldo must be always in +.
An other criterion is mentioned by him: this is from Dr.Allan Wilson - you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".
Up to now I "doubled" up 3 times, the fourth and fifth is still "waiting". Sometimes I have to work too,
roulette-testing is only for the evenings or nights.
   

Hi kacso,

Here is a table posted by Matyika that talks about the crossing of numbers, but still don´t understand it.
It says the hit of 1 of those 2 numbers (of 5x appearence) comes on spin 83 (80% of the time).
Can you explain this table and what we have to cross out??
Or someone else??

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There is a part of the analog-digital distribution of the 37 numbers.
Only the "segment" is here which is necessary to the disputed tactic.

Obs Obs Obs Obs Obs Obs
Spin# 1x 2x 3x 4x 5x 6x
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60 29 18 8 3
61 29 18 8 3 1****
62 30 18 8 3 1
63 30 18 9 3 1
64 30 19 9 3 1
65 30 19 9 4 1
66 30 19 9 4 1
67 31 20 10 4 1
68 31 20 10 4 1
69 31 20 10 4 1
70 31 21 11 4 1
71 31 21 12 4 1
72 31 21 12 5 1
73 31 21 12 5 1
74 32 22 12 5 1
75 32 22 12 5 2****
76 32 22 12 5 2
77 32 22 12 5 2
78 32 23 13 6 2
79 32 23 13 6 2
80 32 23 13 6 2
81 32 23 13 6 2
82 33 24 14 6 2
83 33 24 14 7 2 1***

Obs= Observed how many times
The minimal "discrepancies" are because of rounding.
I hope it will be clearly seen why the tactic works with the first
and second "00000". More than 80% these will make the first hit at
the 83rd coup.
It will clear, why to make the "crossouts".What to cross is now can
be seen at the messages above.
matyika

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The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.

According to this every 200 bets = profit= 45 units.
So to double the bankroll we need to make bets for 1400 spins - I think this is a lot.

you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".

According to your test how many spins you need to double the bankroll??

Cheers,
JLP.-

[kacso]

I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".

[JLP]

I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".

Thanks mate.

Cheers,
JLP.-

[VLSroulette]

I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".

Please check here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/easy-tables-implemented!-(create-tables-by-comma-separated-values)/

This will surely make your life easier.

Regards.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi All,

I have something to say about the Matyika-quote in the first post and kacso's post in Reply #11.

As it is not about the method per se, I posted it in the pit.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/
You should read it before you take Matyika's words for ... "non-exaggerated".

/KFS

[JLP]

I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".

Hi kacso,

Can you also put an example test of it.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
JLP.-

[xman1970]

I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".

Hi kacso,

Can you also put an example test of it.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Hi JLP,
            check out the thread below, & sorry your not going to like it 


nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/

[lucky_strike]

An excellent method for measurement is the Estat, for the even money chances.

When you make a test to gain the Estat you have to flat betting, use masse egale.
Its not valid for progressions,

The formula is easy and simpel to use.
To get your Estat you just divide the numbers of won units by the root from the placed bets.

If you can get a value of 2,5 then you have a great method.
If you succed to get 3,0 or above then you will not have any worrys any more.
Assume that you would succed to get a Estat of 6,0 then you would beat the game permanently.

Cheers LS

[hoper35]

Has the X.Y.Z. been coded?  I don't see one in the Downloads.


Ron.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello Ron, and all,

There's a misunderstanding here...
X-Y-Z is not a system to be coded. It was coded for statistics and the results are published at the Oops' site:
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (Introduction)
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet2.html (Results tables, page 1/9)

Unfortunately there are no downloads any more (although the links are there ).


What "X-Y-Z" is:
The X is "How many spins to record"
The Y is "What kind of results to select from that record"
The Z is "How many spins to bet that selection"

For example: Record 24 (X) spins. Select all 2-times (Y) hitters. Bet for 36 (Z) spins.
OR: Record 36 (X) spins. Select all sleepers (Y). Bet for 12 (Z) spins.


The poor and inconsistent results indicate that it's just another Gambler's Fallacy method:
"Wait (X spins) for something to happen (Y selection), because then a hit is due (within Z spins)".


Regards,
KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

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