Why are we here?

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Sam, and all,


I agree with you.
It's certainly strange to see that methods where you have to think a bit and record some, are discarded by most people.
At the same time, simple "Bet Red - Bet Black" systems are tested and tried ad infinitum...


Proofreaders2000 wrote:

however, you do [highlight]have to learn it[/highlight]

Shorty wrote:

it is a pretty [highlight]complex/hard to understand[/highlight] system

the_spiders_kiss wrote:

it seemed a [highlight]difficult system[/highlight]

roules wrote:

it's [highlight]not the simplest[/highlight] system

And regarding the GUTsystem it's even more strange as it is in fact a really simple system.
To me, the most complicated thing about the method was the explanation itself.

Fact is: The only "complicated" thing in the GUTsystem is to know what a "TRIGGER TO BET" is.

SO: A trigger to bet in the "clinical way" is when you find that...

...numbers that have never hit are equal to OR exactly one more than numbers that have hit exactly once or exactly twice
We call those triggers
"=0 vs =1" ("=0" for "never hit" and "=1" for "hit exactly once")
"=0 vs =2"

...numbers that have never hit are equal to OR exactly one more than numbers that have hit more than once
We call that trigger
"=0 vs >1"

...numbers that have hit exactly once are equal to OR exactly one more than numbers that have hit exactly twice
We call that trigger
"=1 vs =2"

...numbers that have hit exactly once are equal to OR exactly one more than numbers that have hit more than twice
We call that trigger
"=1 vs >2" ("=1" for "hit exactly once" and ">2" for "hit more than twice")

There is ONE exception: When "=0 vs =1" triggers with 19 and 18 numbers respectively.
This trigger is not bet.


And for a REALLY simple way to track the GUT and visually understand how the method is working, you can do as I show here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/guttracker-for-bandm-casinos/

hoper35 wrote:

I`m better at B & M casinos, anyway, so I didn`t test it for very long

You can and may use it also in real casinos.



IMPORTANT "clinical" GUT-rules:
Bet the numbers from the left category of the trigger ("=1 vs =2" you bet all 1-hit numbers)
Never bet more than 36u on a losing trigger
Stop after you have seen spin #50 or as soon as you have reached +40units or above


Moccoman wrote:

Now if the existing thread could be reduced to (say) 5 pages

So, there you are: One post here (this one) and a few posts in the above link.
And that's ALL info you need to use the GUTsystem the "clinical way".


Good Luck!
KFS


BTW...
The triggers shown above are for the "clinical way".

A compilation of winkel's claims for that way is found here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/questions-and-comments-for-selected-systems/q-and-a-about-the-g-u-t-and-twocat%27s-last-test/30/
(Reply #34 - page 3)

Other triggers that maybe can be used:
"=0 vs =3"
"=0 vs =4"...
"=0 vs >2"
"=0 vs >3"...
"=1 vs =3"
"=1 vs =4"...
"=1 vs >3"
"=1 vs >4"...
"=2 vs =3"
"=2 vs =4"...
"=2 vs >2"
"=2 vs >3"...
"=3 vs =4"
"=3 vs >4"... etc...

[Shorty]

Simple systems don't need paper. If you don't need to track for the GUT then I congratulate you.

[TwoCatSam]

Thank you, KFS.

Shorty, I don't use pen and paper, but I use the Track4.

I hate to mix metaphors again, but I'm not trying to shove the G.U.T down anyone's throat!  I'm going to fiddle around with enrique's system a while.  He's not mad at me yet!     Maybe I can stir up some interest there.



Sam

[mistarlupo]

TwoCatSam,
Hello, mate! Congratulations for the good results.
We are all following your tests with a great interest.

You are such a big gentleman, you know? It's not easy to meet many people like you today.
Tell you all why? He is so determined to share his success... that he is even angry at all of us,
because nobody seems interested in something they should be interested in! Really, Sam is a great man.

In my honest opinion, statements such as 'sixty pages topic is too big' are just ridiculous.
Of course it would be much better, but it should not be a problem here.

For me, personally, the test made by Kon-Fu-Sed and his conclusions were the main reason not to study
the G.U.T. I just do not believe it is a better system than many of the other systems around. My suggestion
on how to make your videos and threads more popular? Stick with your winning system for a while... enough
time to build a massive bankroll... and then post some pictures of you driving new Bugatti on Bahamas,
accompanied by new 21-years-old wife... I think that will do it!

Giggity giggity giggity giggity goo!

Thank you for all your effort and help.
And keep up the good work, buddy!

Regards,
m

[TwoCatSam]

mistarlupo

Thanks!  Very kind words!

I will do my best to run up such a bankroll someone has to want to learn the G.U.T. 

But, no new "Trophy" wife.  The old one is almost trained!

Sam

[Kingpin]

Hi sam!

I would like to thank you aswell, you are doing a really great piece of work!

I am also always following your posts with great joy, and maybe in one out of five I watch the video aswell, but I think I already know how the system works, so thats why I dont watch all the video's and sometime I just dont have the time... The one's that I actually watched, was very helpful in learning the method, and when I get some more time, i'm sure I will look closer at these threads. And do some testing also. Unfortunately I still have a real job, and fortunately a real girlfriend  so it's limited time that I have for this stuff.

If you stop posting videos, I really hope that you will still be posting the stats for your sessions - it is very encouraging to see your bankroll grow. And I don't think anyone would suspect you of showing false results.

I'm really looking forward for you to reach the 1000 units. Then I think I will start playing aswell...

But I agree that it's a bit odd, that the systems claimed to work longtime, arent neccesarily the ones people discuss around here. However I still admit, that I too enjoy the "thrill" of reading about a new and Simple system...

Anyway Sam, please keep up the good work. Thank you.


I would also like to say a BIG THANK YOU! to Winkel, whom brought this fine system to our attention. I hope you are still around here from time to time friend.

And to KFS for his huge contribution of tests and explanations of this system, it is truly great.


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Best Regards
Kingpin

[TwoCatSam]

Kingpin

Thank you!

I will continue to post my results.

Sam

[hoper35]

Checked a few hundred of my Wild Jack spins.  GUT looks better against them than my B&M spins.


Ron.

[roules]

@Sam/anyone

Has anyone discussed creating software/xl sheet that can track AND show when/where to bet?
I ask this at the risk of sounding lazy but it's a good way to build confidence running x amount of numbers in testing before playing live. I realize it could be a big ask of the author/Sam/Winkel to make such a thing public though. And I don't mean running 1000 numbers straight through either. Such would be done adhering to perhaps KFS's 40 units per session target or a reasonable stop loss of your choice.
Thoughts...?

[steveh3167]

Sam

I have bucket loads of admiration and respect for you, and other forum members, that go to the efforts they choose to in analysing, testing and asking the questions that need to be asked, and those producing the software that makes players lives that much easier. The forum is a great melting pot and I don't think it would work and function as well as it does without the commitment of all the contributors like you.

If it means much coming from a 'junior' member I am with you on GUT. From my first delving into the thread (sometime ago) it held some degree of intrigue, as sad as that may sound. However, I carried on doing the things I was doing, dabbled in some others, and kept coming back from time to time to get a better understanding of GUT.

Winkel, and various posts, eventually changed the switch from off to on for me. I finally got a handle on how I could 'see' the cycle of the numbers hit and how it may be possible to apply it. I am now devoting my free time to testing this with live spins and real money.

It does not use the same betting triggers as Winkels recommendations and it is very early days. I started with the huge bankroll of $14.42 (originally $20 until I finalised the strategy) and after 23 betting spins over 10 separate games the bankroll is now $15.64, using 1 cent units per number played. A 122 unit increase over 23 betting spins. Prior to live play I paper tested all the live spin data I have accumulated, including some of your 5000 spins, so that I had a rough idea about how things may play out.

My intention has always been to post the results once I had played 100 games and I will do this. I am keeping records of play data as evidence of the final outcome.

I enjoy your tongue in cheek, and not always so subtle sense of humour, and hope that health wise you are continuing to improve.

Regards, Steve

[Ka2]

Personaly I dont believe in tracking numbers or outcomes, because every spin is on its own. The only way to win at roulette is to bet every spin (otherwise your just wasting time...) and very very very good money management. (this is just my humble opinion.)

[TwoCatSam]

Ka2

I started this "Final" test of the G.U.T with $201 and bet .50 until I doubled that amount.  I then went to $1 bets and am at $657 as of yesterday.  The G.U.T does not depend on number being associated or connected; it depends on a simple theory that if 19 numbers in your trot have not hit and 18 have, the data points will exchange and you will have 18 numbers that have not hit and 19 that have.

I have a certain amount of faith in winkel's G.U.T.

Sam

[Ka2]

As you said earlier i think that you played for 10 hours or so with this system, waiting for the right signals. Say you won 10 times and lost 40 times in 200 spins... do a simple test in 20 spins with random numbers, i'll bet that you also win 1 and lose 4. Meaning to say because you play longer and waiting for signals, it takes longer to get a losing streak.

Same as waiting for 7 reds to appear and bet on black. (with a 3 step small progresion) it takes a long time playing and you will win most of the time, you think you have the holy grail, until that 11 red losing streak comes around and destroys your bankroll.

I'm glad to hear that you are stil winning, I really really hope it stays that way. But i'm affraid it is just luck.

[TwoCatSam]

Steveh3167

Thanks you!  

I do not want to sound like a braggart, but I made the videos because I think I understand winkel and if others don't, they may understand me.  I did not understand Victor when he explained the Lw system, but I did understand Lanky.  

Lanky also taught me that the only real way to learn was to bet real money, even dimes.  So if you're betting .10 and you're winning, you're a winner just as sure as if you were betting $10.  When I started betting .50 and winning, my confidence level improved.  The first time I tried $1 bets, I tanked the system.  Just couldn't think.  Now I bet dollars with ease.

Yesterday I dropped down $102 and was very worried.  Then the wheel became my friend and I went up some $62 or so and quit.  Then I went up again and finished the day at +$103.  When I go to $5 that would multiply to $515--not bad for two hours work.

So bet your .10 or .25 and just learn.  Remember, the goal is NOT to make money; it's to learn the system by increasing your bankroll.

Keep up the good work!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Ka2

First, I use the Microgaming live wheel.  If that's not true roulette numbers, I don't know what is.

Secondly, 20 numbers is not enough to even get the 19/18 crossing.  I usually start betting about 30 or so numbers into the trot.

I have always allowed it might just be luck.  Lanky goes to the casino and wins year after year.  He is my role model.  All I ever want to do is be a "lucky" as Lanky!  Then I'll be happy and my wife will get her new floor!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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