Why are we here?

[TwoCatSam]

Friends

Why are we here?  I am puzzled, frankly! 

When winkel posted the G.U.T. and called it the "Holy Grail", people flocked to his thread in hopes of what--learning a system to make money from a roulette wheel?  That was my intention.  Droidman wrote absolutely perfect software for it, which I have archived in four places so I'll never lose it.  In the beginning, there were a host of people studying and trying to understand winkel. 

I am not yet ready to declare the G.U.T. my personal Holy Grail, but I am close.  It is reaching the point that I am confident, but not overly confident, of its power.  I still allow that I could be on the world's longest lucky streak.  When I earn $2,000 betting $5 bets, I will declare it my Grail.  Notice the word "if" is not in there?  Or "win"?  The G.U.T. is work.  You have to pay attention and spend time learning it. 

What puzzles me is why no one is trying to duplicate my tests.  Every last one of you has access to Bella Vegas Casino (Microgaming) and not one of you seems interested.  You don't even watch the videos or study the G.U.T as I teach it.  Same with the "Fire" system by Gamlet.  Even though I show, time and time again, the sectors forming and being hit, no one cares.  KFS wrote perfect software for the "Fire" and does anyone use it?  I doubt it.

Yet you seem interested in a system which says when R B R appears, bet R B R 'cause the wheel can't do it twice in a row.  Use a Martingale 'cause it will never go to the third level. 

If I were wanting to learn a system and I watched one of my videos, I would think that either the guy was the luckiest S.O.B. on the planet or he is faking the videos.  No system can win money like this one does!!  That is what I would think.  OR---I would ask myself if the G.U.T. is possibly a winning system. 

If there is one of you who thinks I am faking the videos, I invite you to log on at the same time I do and monitor the spins.  You will see for yourself that the videos are reality.

In closing, it is obvious that no one is interested in the videos as Motion Box counts the views.  Some have never been viewed.  So I will stop making them as of today.  I have no complaint.  I greatly enjoyed the study of the screen capture software and Motion Box.  It's been great!

Not for my sake, but for that of winkel, I truly regret that there is no longer interest in the G.U.T. 

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

I acknowledge that Winkel did post a noteworthy system in G.U.T.  Like you said, however, you do have to learn it, and it may all be chance. 

As for why we are here, I consider this place "Roulette School."  Somewhere in meeting good people in the gambling arena and making friends, maybe we'll learn something about the wheel.

[Shorty]

I'm sure many people are interested in the GUT, but it is a pretty complex/hard to understand system. I even played it for a while, and I also play Gamlet's fire method, usually at the same time. But as time has passed and I have learnt a lot from certain people, I no longer play systems. That does not mean I am not interested in your testing, I check your topic every time you post. I just do not watch the videos because I already know how to use the GUT. And I know that you aren't faking the videos.

I guess most people are just looking for an easy way to win at roulette, so the GUT doesn't appeal to them.

[TwoCatSam]

Proof

You wrote  "and it may all be chance."

You tell me what I would have to do, how much would I have to win, how large a bet would I have to make, before you would believe.  I took $229 and ran it to over $1400 with the G.U.T and "Fire".  And I video taped it.

Then I took $201 and--using .50 bets--I pumped it to over $400.  Now I am using $1 bets and I've moved it up to $564.  That's double the original bankroll.

Do you really believe anyone can be that lucky?  When I win crossing after crossing after crossing, can it still be "chance"?   When I hit a 3 vs >3 with only two numbers bet on the first try, is that luck?  When I hit over and over and over again with less than ten numbers bet, is that all chance?

I'd love to see some of the math people program my results into a computer and figure the odds of me doing what I have done on pure mathematical chance.  They would be astronomical!

How much?  I'm serious as a heart attack!  How much should I win to convince you?  Would $10,000 do it.  I could use the money and I have family wanting to invest in $10 bets at Riverbelle.  If I can win $35 on a $1 bet, I can win $350 on a ten-spot!  That could add up!

How much?  And what proof do you want?

Sam

[hoper35]

Sam, I'll give the GUT another look.  It lost for me when I originally tracked the system, though. 

I`m better at B & M casinos, anyway, so I didn`t test it for very long.



Ron.

[Lohnro]

Sam,

I have already proven to myself that this is as close to the HG as I am going to get. My graph on this page, nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/225/ is as good as it gets! I have found what I came to gambling forums for.

[Mr J]

I answered this question at least three times already. If you came up with a system/method that passed a test of 8 million spins and made a profit of $700,000, people would look at it for awhile, then move on to the next idea. There use to be some very good methods at VIP. Where did they go? Faded off into the mist. It will always be like this, period.  Ken

[TwoCatSam]

Lohnro

Believe me, your graph was a great inspiration to me! 

mr j

Yep, you're right! 

Forum Friends and Friendly Freaks........

I guess it's more fun to hunt a system than to make money with one.  I can't disagree!!  I'm dying to test the system enrique posted. 

Film at eleven!

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

I love systems.  It is fascinating to me from the planning stage to the actual testing how it holds up. 

@ Sam: 
I am amazed to see you win in those G.U.T. movies.  I am convinced that it's your Holy Grail. 
Truth be told, I've tested the GUT enough to acknowledge it's not for me. 
I do hope you continue to make those movies, they're instructive as well as entertaining.

[Herb]

 

You wrote  "and it may all be chance."

You tell me what I would have to do, how much would I have to win, how large a bet would I have to make, before you would believe.  I took $229 and ran it to over $1400 with the G.U.T and "Fire".  And I video taped it.

Then I took $201 and--using .50 bets--I pumped it to over $400.  Now I am using $1 bets and I've moved it up to $564.  That's double the original bankroll.

Do you really believe anyone can be that lucky?  When I win crossing after crossing after crossing, can it still be "chance"?   When I hit a 3 vs >3 with only two numbers bet on the first try, is that luck?  When I hit over and over and over again with less than ten numbers bet, is that all chance?

I'd love to see some of the math people program my results into a computer and figure the odds of me doing what I have done on pure mathematical chance.  They would be astronomical!

Twocat,

First off, you don't know how many spins you've played, or what your average bet even is.
Without some basic facts, it's not going to be possible to determine how much is by chance, and how much isn't.  Right now, I'm guessing that's it's probably just luck.  However, if you can be a little more scientific with the testing, then it would be easier to determine what's statistically significant, and what's not.


Secondly, are you playing on a real wheel or just the free mode on an RNG site?

-Herb

[TwoCatSam]

-Herb

I am playing at Bella Vegas, a real wheel (Microgaming) with real USD.

Sam

[The Spiders Kiss]

Sam,
I ,for one, have been following your testing with great interest.Although I havent watched any of your videos because I cant get them to work for some reason.
I have been testing it out on an RNG(cos I was frankly amazed that Winkel said it wouldnt matter ,so  I wanted to see) and in just 600 spins(hardly gonna convince  with that amount of spins I know) I was up 152u.Quite amazing!Especially when you consider I was down  after my 1st 50 spins.I have also been following"what if" scenarios on Bet365 because I havent actually used it in real money ,so was just tracking ,and I would have  won there too.

I agree with other posts that maybe it seemed a difficult system and therefore people have been put off and that also there is always the thrill of the system chase ,that to some is more fun than the winning !!!!!
Any way rest assured if you continue your postings I,for one,will be following.
Cheers mate.

[roules]

The GUT thread is nearly 60 pages - a lot of reading to iron out all the times to bet and not to bet, rules etc and probably beyond the attention span of most.
I understand the system vaguely but it's not the simplest system. The more I read what some of the better players (dare I say "Pro's")  say about minimizing time at the table the more it makes sense and this system, generally speaking keeps you seated for a while.
If it's working for you Sam, then stick with it. After all the work you put into it you deserve every cent!

Roules

[Moccoman]

Hi Sam,

I too have been interested in this thread, as well as the videos you have posted (including commentary).

But, as Roules posted, 60 pages does not make for easy reading.

Now if the existing thread could be reduced to (say) 5 pages and then locked, then you would have had a lot more interest.

Further discussion could then take place on another thread - just as you have done here.

All in all, though, I commend you for your efforts.

Regards
Mocco

[metalrat]

Sam,

I experimented with the software posted for this system by Droidman and bjb007(where is he by the way?),
but could not get it to give the results I wanted to see. I can only concentrate on testing one thing at a time so the gut method fell by the wayside, aided by the fact that I didn't really understand it to tell you the truth.
As I always say, if it works use it. I hope you make heaps mate!

metalrat

[metalrat]

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