Independent Trials / Bet Selections / Some Thoughts

[lucky_strike]

@iboba

Dear chaps,your subject was very interesting to me,mr. Kon-Fu-Sed,espec.after your remark;throw the ball 15 times,after it will be throwing in routine fashion.Do you seriously think so?---You believe in dealers signatures????You might as well do,my dear chaps,even thought, no any croupier will addmit anything of the sort.Now when Im retired,and far from the place where I enter the game of such a skill/27yrs.as croupier/--can just give you a hint.every exp.croupier can hit a section arround number he aims,at least 6 out of 12 times,even more/that was the norm at my apprentice days,after months of excersise,and if one couldnt curry out the average.6 out of 12,he would seek other job.Now questions............ How many times did you see a table full of chips,except one number,and it hits exactly uncovered number????Do you think its accidentaly???How many times did you witness a gay plays big units,on small ser. hand after a hand it hits arf.and oppos.serie,untill he walks out broke????Did you ever see  one or two players/alone at the table/playing for big units,beat the croupier????And now opposite question,for your thoughts;How often did you see a player,playing for big units,hiting certain ser.consecutively 10 or 12 times????Could  tell you many more similar examples,but think that you all get the point.Cheers,mates,and careful

How large is the sector?

Cheers LS

[iboba]

Can hit the sector of 6 numb....at least 6 out of 12 times.

[Kingpin]

Hi Iboba,

Can you please confirm if i understand this correct.

You're saying that when you were a dealer, you could hit a sector of only 6 numbers, in 6 out of 12 spins?
If thats true, then it means that there is a thing called DS right?
If so, did you exploit it with a friend and got rich?

If I got this right, this is a very incouraging statement coming from a former dealer.
Hope i'm right, please confirm my thoughts Iboba. 

Best Regards
Kingpin

[ikarianman]

I think iboda wants to say that if a dealer has a skill of hitting sectors,then he can choose either to hit your sector OR hit different sectors so that he can empty your pocket:)it makes sence...if a dealer has such skill why use it for you and not for his boss sake???
so..what if you bet against high rollers?the dealer would put all his skill to take the big bets,not the small...

[TwoCatSam]

ikarianman

Finally someone raised the issue!!

When the dealer spins "against" you, he's spinning "for" someone else.  He can't beat you all!  Can he beat anyone?  Can he help anyone win?  I doubt either.

Sam

[mistarlupo]

Another thought...

Player wins -> dealer usually receives a tip.
Casino wins -> no tip, or at least I don't think so!

Regards,
L

[ikarianman]

Hey Sam!i have one cat also ..
1 thing is sure!there is no dealer who can control the outside bets..

iboda is the man to bring more light in the subject!

[zeus]

@iboba
Suppose you are a croupier and I am a player,
If I place my bets after the ball is released is there any way to beat me?

[lucky_strike]

@iboba
Suppose you are a croupier and I am a player,
If I place my bets after the ball is released is there any way to beat me?

Well why make it hard here you have 100 trails with release and outcom from my wheel and if you want more just ask...
I did not read all the post lol just post some numbers you can have some fun with...

[table=]
Spin,   Release,   Outcome
1,   0,   20,
2,   0,   18,
3,   0,   19,
4,   0,   6,
5,   0,   3,
6,   0,   19,
7,   0,   21
8,   0,   35
9,   0,   19
10,   0,   18
11,   0,   11
12,   0,   17
13,   0,   34
14,   0,   16
15,   0,   31
16,   0,   0
17,   0,   16
18,   0,   13
19,   0,   4
20,   0,   29
21,   0,   21
22,   0,   23
23,   0,   36
24,   0,   22
25,   0,   23
26,   0,   36
27,   0,   8
28,   0,   31
29,   0,   17
30,   0,   0
31,   0,   32
32,   0,   19
33,   0,   6
34,   0,   29
35,   0,   20
36,   0,   13
37,   0,   16
38,   0,   31
39,   0,   1
40,   0,   30
41,   0,   2
42,   0,   36
43,   0,   1
44,   0,   19
45,   0,   21
46,   0,   8
47,   0,   14
48,   0,   29
49,   0,   31
50,   0,   11
51,   0,   30
52,   0,   28
53,   0,   29
54,   0,   23
55,   0,   8
56,   0,   23
57,   0,   14
58,   0,   21
59,   0,   30
60,   0,   10
61,   0,   21
62,   0,   22
63,   0,   32
64,   0,   13
65,   0,   20
66,   0,   27
67,   0,   1
68,   0,   30
69,   0,   8
70,   0,   11
71,   0,   2
72,   0,   2
73,   0,   11
74,   0,   14
75,   0,   29
76,   0,   10
77,   0,   23
78,   0,   22
79,   0,   25
80,   0,   11
81,   0,   23
82,   0,   25
83,   0,   25
84,   0,   5
85,   0,   21
86,   0,   14
87,   0,   28
88,   0,   9
89,   0,   3
90,   0,   32
91,   0,   23
92,   0,   21
93,   0,   5
94,   0,   27
95,   0,   35
96,   0,   30
97,   0,   26
98,   0,   1
99,   0,   0
100,   0,   7

[/table]

[Kingpin]

Hi there,

I tried to put the spins from Lucky in the Distance tracker and heres the outcome.
You can judge for yourself if you see a signature or not.
I noticed that there were a bit more hits on the - (minus) side.

@Lucky, were these spins done right after eachother? And did you try to aim for something, or use the same "power" when spinning every time?

Best Regards
Kingpin
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[lucky_strike]

Nice and thanks.
I use clock wise and the rotation of the number ring was around 3.0 with a 20mm teflon ball.

Cheers LS

[lucky_strike]

I would not use this distance tracker I think its better to use the release sector and get the distance from there to outcome sector that is based upon light VB, conditions.



Cheers LS

[Kingpin]

How big would you say a sector should be? And wouldnt it become too static?

[lucky_strike]

Well I think 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 works.

Large sector easy to hit but gives you less room for error.
Small sector is harder to hit but gives you a large room for error.

3 number gives you 12 trails flat betting.
12 numbers gives you 3 trails flat betting.

Static is for me when some one use the past outcome and compare it with the new outcome to get the distance.

Cheers LS

[Marven]

I would not use this distance tracker I think its better to use the release sector and get the distance from there to outcome sector that is based upon light VB, conditions.

Agreed.

How big would you say a sector should be? And wouldnt it become too static?

Kingpin,

I personally base the width of my sector on what I call the predictability of the current situation.
I first place a chip on my predicted number and then the numbers around it so that I have a 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, or 13 pocket sector.

Sometimes, the conditions are great (good signature, very constant wheel speed, less ball scatter, etc) I then go for small sectors, and vice versa.

I try to play as few bets as possible (only when the conditions are best) and walk away with profit or even: This is IMO the best thing you can if you wanna make money playing DS.

Your friend,
Marven

[Marven]

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