Custom Roulette Bots

[Tiago2]

Hi to those that don't know me, I've been creating roulette bots for a few years now. I've done one commercial for a someone (nolinks://roulettebotpro.com/) and several custom bots already for different people. Several of them were for members of this forum.

Anyway I've been getting alot of messages from people wanting bots. Which Im very happy to do for a fee ofcourse. Im writing this message now because  I will be going abroad on the 29th of January and only coming back on the 14th of march. During this time period I wont be able to code as I don't own a laptop to take with me. I also wont have alot of access to the internet so wont be able to respond to PMs or on this thread either for that matter. But I'll get back to you once I'm back.

If you would like a custom bot created, please don't pm me as I wont be able to reply till I get back. Instead put your name down on this thread and I will get back to you when I get back. My pm inbox is getting quite full and a bit hard to keep track of all messages. It'll be alot easier this way. Also if you could add in as much information if you want different features include as well. This will save up alot of  back-and-forth messaging later on and speed up the time it takes for me to start coding your bot. Many thanks.

Bots I create are build around a general core and GUI. And already include alot of usefull features. Ofcourse nothing is written in stone so if you're looking for something completly different, we can start from scratch and build a completely new GUI, features etc. Not a problem.

If you would like some demonstrations on previous public projects i've done, you can check out NWRScriptter >> nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=249

You can also check out Roulette Bot Pro which is another bot I coded >> nolinks://roulettebotpro.com/

Regards

-Tiago2

Heres a picture of what the general custom roulette bot looks like and a bit of explanation to it.

[MattyMattz]

Hey Matt,

I'm interested in a bot for RNG use.  Please send me a note (in PM or my email addy) to discuse the details.

Regards,
mattymattz

[alarian]

Hey Tiago.

I've been looking for you since I saw some post on some forum some time ago and forgot your name...
Now I remembered who you are and I've been meaning to ask you to do a collaboration project building a simulator with me.

This is going to be an extensive simulation and I don't reckon it will be finished within a few years but the outcome will be of monumental value.
The reason I want to collaborate is because two heads might make a huge differense in finding a best practice...
Optimal Performance and execution will be highest priority.

If this sounds interresting then please send me a PM for further discussion. 

[esoito]

Greetings

I'll briefly outline some background issues that concern me, then tie them in to specific questions so we can all benefit from the collective wisdom and experience of those that chose to answer.

1  I've read many comments in various forums that very clearly warn against using RNG casinos because results are not truly random. They advise using live online casinos instead.

2  I've read comments to the effect that if someone has something that's a real money spinner then why bother to sell it?

3  A croupier on another site wrote this and I quote:

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CROUPIER:  NOT RNG
I discovered this site, found this thread and was intrigued as I have spent the last 3 years of my life on the game of roulette.

Not gambling, mind, I'm a croupier. I've heard of all these things before. Wheel bias, mathematical systems, bots to dealers actually section spinning and even spinning a single chosen number (to either wipe out the table, or hit the punter they're in cahoots with big time).

I can categorically state that all of these methods are absolute rubbish.

Of course there is a "best" way to play roulette, depending upon how you play the game (neighbours bets, french bets or outside chances) that simply involves getting the house edge as low as possible. You can NEVER get the odds in your favour. Roulette is a basic game of risk:reward, the greater the risk, the greater the reward. That is embedded into the odds which can be distilled into a mathematical formula.

The Martingale system is the most basic system and is usually played on red/black or odd/even or hi/lo. If you lose, you double your bet to recoup your losses. If you lose again, you do the same until you break even. If you win, you can either pocket the cash, or double up. Of course this system would work if it weren't for the table limits. Casino's aren't stupid.

I personally would never play roulette online. I would want to see that ball rocketing around the wheel as opposed to a few pixels changing colour. We all know how shifty the internet can be, and how many opportunists there are out there. No matter how well programmed, no computer can ever be completely random. There is no way to compute the sheer number of variables involved when a dealer spins a ball.... there are simply too many. Fact.

Now, ANOTHER simple proof. Blackjack CAN be beaten, yes, roulette cannot (unless it is for sheer luck). There are usually 312 cards in a blackjack shoe and they are shuffled and inserted. Now, one decision in blackjack (hit/stand) WILL affect every single other decision outcome made in that shoe... that is, the pull of cards in blackjack are DEPENDENT events.

The spin of a roulette wheel is TOTALLY INDEPENDENT. That simply means, if I spin a 23, there is exactly the SAME CHANCE I could spin a 23 next spin. And again the next spin, and so on. If I pull an Ace in blackjack, then there are only 23 MORE aces left in the shoe... a reduced chance!!!

To sum it up, what does it matter what the previous 5/10/100/1000 spins were?? The spins are totally independent events!!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! This is even MORE important online, as they are COMPUTER GENERATED NUMBERS. Sure, some live roulette wheels CAN contain a bias, but as the central wheel moves also, finding a technique to exploit that bias profitably is almost impossible. Especially before the Casino notice and simply remove the offending wheel.

The only scam I've ever heard of that WORKED was a portable mobile phone roulette computer that needs to be set up on the wheel somehow, and involves lazers. The computer calculates the speed of the central wheel and the speed of the ball and will give an area in which the ball will land with overwhelming accuracy (80%-90%). It is not perfect, as the chevrons (metallic "V"'s) in the wheel can cause random bounces. Like I say, a live wheel is about as perfectly random as you can get. This system netted a group of hustlers millions of pounds in a London Casino. Notice today, however, that mobile phones and electronic portable devices are banned from British Casinos. They will watch you like a hawk if you have a pocket PC or a blackberry lookalike on your person. The original hustlers, I believe, actually went to court and got to keep their winnings.

Another simple thing you should think about. If these systems really do work, why are their creators selling the software/machinery/system online as opposed to making an absolute stress-free killing. 100% accuracy?? Why bother selling it on?! The Casino's and operators will catch on!!! If you discovered a free cash-machine would you tell everybody where it was??

Sorry to piss on everyone's bonfire, but don't get swept up in it.

If you want to make some easy money gambling, concentrate on poker. The game has NO NEGATIVE IMPLIED ODDS. It's a FAIR GAME in which the house isn't even involved except for maybe throwing cards at the players. Even with a 5% rake, if you're offered 10-1 on a 4-1 shot, I'd bite the guys arm off. If you know what you're doing, and you're prepared to ride the devil's wheel, then give it a bash.

Albert Einstein himself studied roulette and came to an enlightening conclusion...

"The only way to win on a roulette table is to steal from it."

...end of quote
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4 So my questions are these: 

4.1 why would anyone buy a roulette bot that only works on RNG casinos?

4.2 why would anyone spend much time and intellectual energy in writing such a bot?

4.3 why would they not write a bot for live, online casinos?

4.4 and, more to the point, why would anyone write a roulette bot instead of a blackjack bot? (in the light of comments made above about blackjack versus roulette)

Looking forward to enlightenment!

[alarian]

1  I've read many comments in various forums that very clearly warn against using RNG casinos because results are not truly random. They advise using live online casinos instead.

I've worked as a programmer for Playtech, one of the (surprisingly few) companies that develops a certified Online Casino Software.
I can assure you that the above statement is absolutely true. There is however one way to abuse this, as I like to call it, Unethical Business Practice.
Other developer's certified software that I can confirm have this property are Chartwell, Cryptologic and RTG.
I am going to disclose the exact method of doing this in my Millionaire School at my Personal Section when I get there.
In order to abuse this optimally you will need a roulette bot since it requires inhuman speed. I am done developing a bot for this purpose.

A bot for any other purpose regarding RNG, that I can think of, is merely a doomsday tool that will help you bankrupt as fast as possible.

4.1 why would anyone buy a roulette bot that only works on RNG casinos?

For any other purpose than the one I hold reasonable, it comes down to the fact that some people just love running into a wall of fact built from literally millions of hours of research over the course of 300 years. It all comes down to that they are convinced that they can somehow beat these random events (combined with negative odds). Where there's a demand, money is there to be made.
My bot, designed for a specific purpose (abusing a property of the Number Generator Algorithm) , will be free of charge except for custom changes.

4.2 why would anyone spend much time and intellectual energy in writing such a bot?

For any other purpose than the one I hold reasonable, I can only speculate.
Programming is ALOT of fun and Robot programming is in my opinion as fun and challenging as it gets
Reasonable demand due to the fact that alot of people are convinced they can beat Random Number Generated games with negative odds is also a good reason, reason above...

4.3 why would they not write a bot for live, online casinos?

Working on it...
Learning the most I can about Roulette prediction... The croupier in your quote is quite morbid in his claims which from my experience are a bit exaggerated and too definite.
On another note outside of Roulette predicion techniques... A computerised bot can easily optically estimate the velocities of the wheel/ball to gain a reasonable advantage. My bot will utilize the combined knowledge of all methods I'll be able to accumulate.

4.4 and, more to the point, why would anyone write a roulette bot instead of a blackjack bot? (in the light of comments made above about blackjack versus roulette)

I'm using such a bot of my own design. I make good winnings online with Live Blackjack Dealers. This is also going to be disclosed at the Millionaire School in my Personal Section on this Board.

Looking forward to enlightenment!

Happy to answer any other questions that might arise!
Please ask them in my personal section nolinks://vlsroulette.com/alarian's-lair/Since I'm not extensively monitoring this specific thread.

[Rudy]

4.4 and, more to the point, why would anyone write a roulette bot instead of a blackjack bot? (in the light of comments made above about blackjack versus roulette)

That's a VERY good question.

[esoito]

Many thanks to you, Alarian, for your detailed, generous and VERY enlightening reply. Really appreciate it.

And the fact you've programmed for an online RNG adds an undeniable veneer of authority and veracity to your observations. Hope others take on board what you've written -- it's gold dust!

I'm off, now, to visit your lair. And thanks for the invitation -- I'll certainly take you up on it.

And yes, Ruby. It IS a good question (LOL)  But I was rather hoping for an answer    if not from your good self then from someone with some appropriate insight, rather than just inspired guesses!!

Looking forward to others' feedback on these vexed questions.

[alarian]

Many thanks to you, Alarian, for your detailed, generous and VERY enlightening reply. Really appreciate it.

And the fact you've programmed for an online RNG adds an undeniable veneer of authority and veracity to your observations. Hope others take on board what you've written -- it's gold dust!

I'm off, now, to visit your lair. And thanks for the invitation -- I'll certainly take you up on it.

And yes, Ruby. It IS a good question (LOL)  But I was rather hoping for an answer    if not from your good self then from someone with some appropriate insight, rather than just inspired guesses!!

Looking forward to others' feedback on these vexed questions.

I'll like to just call it a Number Generator since it's not always entirely random...

[Tiago2]

Thanks guys. I've got back from holidays today and will start coding tomorow. I've got a few projects already I need to complete. I'll work on a first come first served bases. To answer some of the stuff put out on RNGs, customs bots aren't just made for RNGs. I've made some for live casinos aswell such like DublinBet. The choice is entirely up to person the bot is being coded for. looking forwards to working together. I'll be sending pms to the people who replyed tomorow wanting a bot.

[esoito]

Just a suggestion, Tiago....

Could you perhaps post brief descriptions of the bots you've coded?

I ask this 'cos some members might like to buy one/some from you.

If we know what you can make available it saves reinventing the wheel to some extent.

Over to you.

[Tiago2]

Hi there, the discription of the bot is in my first post. The system(s) the bot plays is up to the user. There are alot of good systems in this forum that can be coded into a bot. Or one of your own. I haven't coded a single bot that I personally mass market. Its all custom based so its entirely up to the user which system to use. The bot already comes with usefull features to protect bankroll, test systems settings etc. Please see first post.

[esoito]

Ahhh...think I've got it now.

The bot in your first post is a sort of vanilla template.

It's then a matter of switching on/off various internal settings in that template, to produce an individualised  bot with the exact 'flavour' a person wants.

Is that about right?

[Tiago2]

Yes, its sorta like a vanilla template. The template itself already includes alot of usefull features. A history, a graph, a means to safeguard the bankroll etc. The template was created based on the majority of requests I got in the past. Alot of people are happy with it or just want minor stuff added  or changed. One person wanted a "Stop after X amount of spins/minutes". That was added to his bot. Now if a person wants something complete different than yes I will start from scratch and build up as it goes.

Having a base-bot helps me to provide quick and effective service. The thing that makes a bot unique is the casino(s) it is able to play with and the system(s) it runs. Then ofcourse the name of the bot and optional an icon to go with the program .

[KevinNash]

Hello Tiago2,

Do you know the French Roulette ( the best in the world lol ) ? I suppose you know the difference between French and European roulette,

with the french roulette, when you play on the even odds if the 0 hit, half of the bet is refunded and the other half is " en prison " and his refunded if you have a hit just after.

I suggest you to set the French Roulette for the future bots if the casino offer it, like in RouletteBot Pro 2.

[Tiago2]

Cheers Kevin. I didn't know about the en-prison bit. To be fair I never really looked into French Roulette. Interesting to know about the return policy it  offers. Kinda like Roulette Mini on the Playtech casinos. Its a good idea. Future bots already support 3 games from the playtech.. and Im adding in a 4 now, the Live Roulette. So it plays European, American, Mini, and soon the Live Roulette as I got a request from someone to add that in their custom bot. So I will be providing 4 Playtech games to a bot's Playtech Interface. Alot of systems will be able to play on all 4 game types.
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[Tiago2]

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