Need some stats

[Krunoslav]

Hi all.

I'm working on one system, and I would need some stats about repeating/non-repeating. If someone has some simulator which could easy make such stats, please post them: For example, in 100 000 spins, what are the percentages of?

on EVEN-CHANCES (for our example, we play BLACK/RED, S=SAME as spin before, O=OPPOSITE oposite as spin before, we treat 0 as Opossite (Green color)):

a) Turnover (next spin was different colour then spin before it)
b) 1-repeat (next spins: SO)
c) 2-repeats (SSO)
d) 3-repeats (SSSO)
.... and so on until 7 repeats (I'm not interrested in more repeats)

on 2 COLUMNS/DOZENS (for our example, we play any 2 dozens):

a) Turnover (next dozen was different then those 2 on spin before)
b) 1-repeat (SO)
b) 2-repeats (SSO)
... and so on until 6 repeats ....

Thank you in advance.

I think those stats would be very interresting, and we would have some strong point to hold on in our future systems, because those SAME/OPPOSITE things probably don't change much through time.

Btw., sorry on my bad english.

[admin]

Hi Krunoslav.

Contact TurboGenius at VIP forum:
nolinks.gambling.projectsydney.com

He has made large stats in the past, he may have something for you.

Also, at this forum you can contact good ol' Arteinvivo. Maybe he has or can develop a simulator that suits you.

Best regards.

Your friend,
Victor

[Krunoslav]

Anyway, what do you think,  could this be exploited? I think it could, because those percentages will last for always, those numbers will never change on roulette, and this is one rare thing that we could stick to as a "fact".

[admin]

If those are to be exploited you must be very careful of the progression to use. In no case should you use the martingale.

Once I deviced this one with this reasoning:

- Since *MOST* series on even chance is 1 according to long-term figures, on can expect more clumps of them and not-so-long clumps of series of 2+ without a series of 1 appearing.

So I went to the casino with an 8-step marty and when a different color than the previous came, I was betting for the oposite color to come up, hence making a serie of 1. If it came the same color, I made a pause waiting till the series ended -it could go as long as it wished.

My marty was blown :-/



Those times are long gone, now I learned the Money Management for recovery must be SOFT, malleable. Trying to recoup losses in a positive tram, not a single win



So Krunoslav, I'm with you. These figures won't change in the future as they haven't done in the past since roulette is roulette, BUT beware of long-term figures and extrapolating its use in the short-term.

I'm open to know your take on them and specially your money management. You are right about these figures reliably "being there" in the long run... what approach do you have in mind to use them in the short run mate? I'm willing to know.  [smiley=smiley.gif]

Your friend,
Victor

[Krunoslav]

Here are results, made with simulator in PHP, 100 000 spins:

0 repeats: 51989
1 repeats: 24060
2 repeats: 11847
3 repeats: 5920
4 repeats: 2989
5 repeats: 1520
6 repeats: 809
7 repeats: 446
8 repeats: 225
9 repeats: 117
10 repeats: 50
11 repeats: 16
12 repeats: 9
13 repeats: 3
14 repeats: 1
15 repeats: 1
Number of zeroes: 2699

[admin]

Hi mate,

The strategy from those numbers above can be to to play only series of

0 repeats: 51989
1 repeats: 24060

in cycles.

For instance, once the new single color comes in, you bet 1 unit it isn't goign to repeat. If it does repeat, you repeat 1 unit bet again against it. If it still doesn't, then you leave it alone for stop betting until the series is over (you never know how long can a particular series go).

That is a cycle: 2 bets.

If you lost those 2 bets, then you rise.

A new color comes in, and you bet 2 units it won't come again. Lose, then bet 2 units again against it. If this cycle loses, then rise to 3...

Rising slowly from cycle to cycle is the key here. Also, when you are into a betting a higher amount than the break even point, then you must "cheat" it; meaning if you are betting 5 units due to lost cycles, but are only -3 units to break even in your balance, then you lower the bet to 3 units.



Last recomendation: you must be astute and say after 3 lost cycles in a row, then wait for a virtual win and resume.

Hope this helps you in some way.

Best regards.

Your friend,
Victor

[admin]

As to the Zero, when losing, just continue with the progression, but place your bets as if the zero wouldn't have come up.


R
0
R
0

Still after this you keep on betting for Black, since discounting the zeroes it is an

R
R

Serie.

BUT the progression did rise according to the loses.

[Krunoslav]

Ok, have already read a lot about progressions, and thinking of using pluscoup progression here. Anyway, back to numbers. After running 200 tests on 100 000 spins, here are definite results, which we can call a "fact":

Expectation of next spin (in %):

non-repeat: 52.079
1 repeats: 23.973
2 repeats: 11.851
3 repeats: 5.929
4 repeats: 2.986
5 repeats: 1.513
6 repeats: 0.807
7 repeats: 0.446
8 repeats: 0.223
9 repeats: 0.117
10 repeats: 0.049
11 repeats: 0.015
12 repeats: 0.009
13 repeats: 0.003
14 repeats: 0.001
15 repeats: 0.001
Number of zeroes: 2.711 %

Be careful here though: 0 repeats is above 50%, because zero after any colour (R or B), means non-repeat.

While ignoring zero, or treating it as "repeater":

Expectation of next spin (in %):

non.repeat: 49.373
1 repeats: 23.978
2 repeats: 11.839
3 repeats: 5.922
4 repeats: 2.983
5 repeats: 1.520
6 repeats: 0.812
7 repeats: 0.448
8 repeats: 0.224
9 repeats: 0.115
10 repeats: 0.048
11 repeats: 0.015
12 repeats: 0.009
13 repeats: 0.003
14 repeats: 0.001
15 repeats: 0.001
Number of zeroes: 2711

Ok, this can be our starting point on building system with repeat/no-repeat on even chances.

[admin]

Perfect. Now my mate, please remember my "concentration/dispersion chant".

I like to work with the short-term more rather than long-term investement because I have seen those deviations go and go and go....

Say you are betting for series of 1 and 2 to dominate series of 3 and above. In the long term that is... but in the short term... would we have enough bank to surf max. deviation?

That is another way to beat roulette my mate. To have a good enough MM to outperform max. deviations, but I do not have one  :-/

[admin]

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