question from mattjono

[MATTJONO]

hi all just wandering what is the most anyone has ever seen without a repeated number like this example.
17
32
8
10
6
30
36
29
16
11
17
3
20
34
14
1
21
32
25
30
6
10
9
4
28
26
13
35
30 hit on the 23rd
17



is this rare im gessing so.

[ChipsnbeanS]

hi all just wandering what is the most anyone has ever seen without a repeated number like this example.
17
32
8
10
6
30
36
29
16
11
17
3
20
34
14
1
21
32
25
30
6
10
9
4
28
26
13
35
30 hit on the 23rd
17



is this rare im gessing so.

BLOODY HELL MATE  never have i seen that!! 18 tops 

[winkel]

Checked 10724372 trots
after 25 spins no repeater: 177
after 26 spins no repeater: 64
after 27 spins no repeater: 20
after 28 spins no repeater: 4
after 29 spins no repeater: 2
after 30 spins no repeater: 1

[MATTJONO]

thanks alot all for the great responce.

i was looking at this. i do understand i have not exactly took alot of time to show you if my ideas are a good idea or not.


if in the last 12 numbers we have at least 1 number appeared 2 times we start from that number that had appeared 2 times.

1.. we bet the 1 number appeared.    -1
2.. we bet the 2 numbers appeared.  -3
3.. we bet the 3 numbers appeared.  -6
4.. we bet the 4 numbers appeared.  -10
5.. we bet the 5 numbers appeared.  -15
6.. we bet the 6 numbers appeared  -21
7.. we bet any 6 of the 7 numbers appeared -27
8.. we bet any 6 of the 8 numbers appeared -33
9.. we bet any 6 of the 9 numbers appeared -39
10.. we bet any 8 of the 10 numbers appeared -47
11.. we bet any 8 of the 11 numbers appeared -55
12.. we bet any 8 of the 12 numbers appeared - 63...........if lost here should we stop.



hope i showed my thoughts o.k 

mattjono

and thanks again for the data everyone.

[winkel]

if in the last 12 numbers we have at least 1 number appeared 2 times we start from that number that had appeared 2 times.

That´s the point: This is not true!

Unforunately I lost all my statistics, so I can´t proof.

In a german forum we tried several ways to beat this.
The main point, where the first repeater appears is at spin 7 or 8. But that is not reliable.
We started after 6, 7, 8 and nine spins without any repeater and tried to hit the next.
We failed

br
winkel

[MATTJONO]

 

Hi Matt,
I have been looking at this type of play for months. It is very difficult to get close to anything that is a good system, while also being safe. I do think that a winning system can be made though.

Winkel,
I have also tried many ways to isolate that repeater, and as it can take up to 31 spins to show, as in your data, it does seem that it is not a very viable way to play. Like you say, the repeater will usually appear fairly early in any given interval of spins but of course it fluctuates and there is no guarantee of hitting it before our BR expires (depending on progression). There may be, however, some sort of forumula that when applied will expose the best possible betting conditions. Currently I'm looking at a theory similar to "Peak oil" - a moment in time when global oil production will reach a maximum and then after that be in constant decline. In roulette, and an interval of 37 spins, there has to be a recognisable moment when "unique" numbers begin to be rapidly replaced by repeaters. You would think this should be somewhere around spin 17, 18 or 19, but of course it is not always! To find a way of recognising when a trend change about to happen will give us something to exploit.

Perhaps we should ask Victor to set up a law of the third study group?

6 

number 6, you speak like a professional player I bet you are or you will be.    ..lol..
I agree with all of the above. wish I could explain my ideas better but you all have seemed to understand what im going on about.

another idea I have I beleive could make it easier to find the best time to place a bet.
we have the normal spins, clocwise spins and the anti clocwise spins 3 sets of 37random numbers appearing.

NS= normal spin
CW = clockwise
AW = anticlockwise

NS   CW   ACW
29   29   32
32   35   32
35   14    4
32   18   31
14   18   32
4    2     3
18   22   13
31   18   31
18    2   24
32    8   22
2    15   23
3    21   15
22   33   15
13    9    8
18   26   31
31   21   35
2   16   21
24   33   24
8      
22      
15      
23      
21      
15      
33      
15      
9      
8      
26      
31      
21      
35      
16      
21      
33      
24      


   not sure if it could help in any way.

mattjono

[MATTJONO]

That´s the point: This is not true!

Unforunately I lost all my statistics, so I can´t proof.

In a german forum we tried several ways to beat this.
The main point, where the first repeater appears is at spin 7 or 8. But that is not reliable.
We started after 6, 7, 8 and nine spins without any repeater and tried to hit the next.
We failed

br
winkel

thanks winkel, will save me some time.

mattjono

[Davemd]

Hi Guys,
           Ive been trying to put a repeating number system together but not with much luck.What is the longest session anyone has seen without a number repeating.By that I mean just a repeat,any number.I have seen a session go for 87 spins before a repeat,but I feel that someone is going to tell me it has been a lot longer.I played a session the other night backing whatever the last number spun was to repeat,then after that spin backing the next number to repeat I played progression 11111111111111112222222222222222222333333333333444,that was 102 units gone.I started again from 1 and got a repeat on the 6th spin which was +30,then started from 1 again and got a repeat on the 2nd spin +34,then started again from 1 and got a repeat on the 11th spin +25.So I got 89 units back from 102 already lost.Was wondering if I could make a system where by we could play the last number spun to repeat up a 102 unit loss then start again from 1.Could we be in rofit in the long run,anyone care to test or any other Ideas?
        I think we are thinking along the same lines mattjono,
                                                                               Dave.

[VLSroulette]

anyone care to test or any other Ideas?

Hi mate,

"Number Repeat" is a 1-number event. From the statistical point of view it is as valid as any other 1-number event (ie. #30 is spun, Sum +1 to last outcome, etc.), so you could use it

My best way to attack 1-number events is to better to wait for the event to miss several cycles (the more the merrier) and then once it hits attack it!.

Translated into actual.

Of course, you do not base your whole strategy on 1 single event. You track many and enable-disable them as they come. Once you qualify one, you attack on it, if no results for the cycle, you "let it go".

Suggested holding for 1-number bet being 24 spins (as opposed to 36), this enables you to attack two thirds of the cycle and saving some units for the serious clumps, as with 1 number both deviations for and against can get serious, believe me, when a 1-number event it is on your side, a 24-spin window is more than enough to catch.

Regards.

Your friend,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

Perhaps we should ask Victor to set up a law of the third study group?

6 

I have absolutely no problem in setting such a study group, it may be a fine repository for people to exchange on Law Of The Third and will serve to have the information at one place for those who are to come in the future.

If you wish to moderate it, I'm in for setting it up.
Victor

[MATTJONO]

Hi mate,

"Number Repeat" is a 1-number event. From the statistical point of view it is as valid as any other 1-number event (ie. #30 is spun, Sum +1 to last outcome, etc.), so you could use it

My best way to attack 1-number events is to better to wait for the event to miss several cycles (the more the merrier) and then once it hits attack it!.

Translated into actual.

Of course, you do not base your whole strategy on 1 single event. You track many and enable-disable them as they come. Once you qualify one, you attack on it, if no results for the cycle, you "let it go".

Suggested holding for 1-number bet being 24 spins (as opposed to 36), this enables you to attack two thirds of the cycle and saving some units for the serious clumps, as with 1 number both deviations for and against can get serious, believe me, when a 1-number event it is on your side, a 24-spin window is more than enough to catch.

Regards.

Your friend,
Victor

hi victor just had a quick go.

betting 0 until it hits then move to betting number 1 until it hits and then moving on until number 2 until it hits and so on and on.
also if the number we are betting has not appeared in 24 spins we stop betting that number and move on to the next.


35                     bet number 0 single bet next for 24 spins
16   l                  
23   l                  
4   l                  
7   l                  
33   l                  
18   l                  
28   l                  
33   l                  
6   l                  
8   l                  
28   l                  
6   l                  
17   l                  
18   l                  
26   l                  
27   l                  
19   l                  
30   l                  
25   l                  
16   l                  
28   l                  
19   l                  
35   l                  
21   l   -24               now to bet number 1
8   l                  
29   l                  
11   l                  
7   l                  
25   l                  
25   l                  
22   l                  
27   l                  
5   l                  
31   l                  
22   l                  
20   l                  
33   l                  
13   l                  
3   l                  
9   l                  
22   l                  
4   l                  
26   l                  
30   l                  
31   l                  
18   l                  
15   l                  
8   l   -24               bet number 2
29   l                  
14   l                  
2   W   33               bet number 3
25   l                  
11   l                  
20   l                  
30   l                  
22   l                  
21   l                  
8   l                  
15   l                  
23   l                  
35   l                  
6   l                  
29   l                  
22   l                  
24   l                  
22   l                  
32   l                  
14   l                  
18   l                  
4   l                  
14   l                  
18   l                  
35   l                  
33   l                  
18   l   -24               bet number 4
9   l                  
35   l                  
5   l                  
25   l                  
11   l                  
13   l                  
25   l                  
29   l                  
27   l                  
8   l                  
1   l                  
32   l                  
27   l                  
29   l                  
1   l                  
4   w   21               bet number 5
5   w   35               bet number 6
9   l                  
20   l                  
11   l                  
32   l                  
22   l                  
9   l                  
25   l                  
6   w   29               bet number 7
2   l                  
25   l                  
11   l                  
8   l                  
4   l                  
11   l                  
23   l                  
24   l                  
20   l                  
24   l                  
22   l                  
26   l                  
29   l                  
27   l                  
23   l                  
14   l                  
6   l                  
12   l                  
34   l                  
26   l                  
17   l                  
10   l                  
23   l                  
32   l   -24               bet number 8
14   l                  
10   l                  
6   l                  
6   l                  
32   l                  
32   l                  
5   l                  
14   l                  
35   l                  
16   l                  
14   l                  
30   l                  
28   l                  
7   l                  
14   l                  
26   l                  
35   l                  
7   l                  
25   l                  
15   l                  
33   l                  
3   l                  
14   l                  
12   l   -24               bet number 9
30   l                  
8   l                  
32   l                  
0   l                  
33   l                  
5   l                  
29   l                  
21   l                  
27   l                  
24   l                  
33   l                  
13   l                  
28   l                  
3   l                  
15   l                  
21   l                  
25   l                  
2   l                  
9   w   17               bet number 10
15   l                  
15   l                  
23   l                  
27   l                  
22   l                  
6   l                  
29   l                  
34   l                  
24   l                  
33   l                  
1   l                  
7   l                  
15   l                  
33   l                  
34   l                  
16   l                  
32   l                  
11   l                  
36   l                  
6   l                  
16   l                  
11   l                  
35   l                  
16   l   -24               bet number 11
22   l                  
32   l                  
8   l                  
35   l                  
9   l                  
27   l                  
27   l                  
14   l                  
32   l                  
17   l                  
27   l                  
13   l                  
4   l                  
24   l                  
11   w   21               bet number 12
28   l                  
0   l                  
9   l                  
15   l                  
10   l                  
14   l                  
9   l                  
36   l                  
13   l                  
14   l                  
26   l                  
8   l                  
1   l                  
7   l                  
23   l                  
7   l                  
7   l                  
11   l                  
3   l                  
9   l                  
14   l                  
0   l                  
30   l   -24               bet number 13
35   l                  
7   l                  
33   l                  
3   l                  
31   l                  
22   l                  
17   l                  
18   l                  
21   l                  
2   l                  
9   l                  
29   l                  
28   l                  
7   l                  
3   l                  
31   l                  
13   w   19               bet number 14
13   l                  
11   l                  
35   l                  
20   l                  
13   l                  
3   l                  
30   l                  
17   l                  
0   l                  
4   l                  
24   l                  
27   l                  
21   l                  
13   l                  
21   l                  
23   l                  
6   l                  
33   l                  
11   l   -24               bet number 15
13   l                  
21   l                  
15   w   33               bet number 16
13   l                  
11   l                  
5   l                  
15   l                  
25   l                  
9   l                  
21   l                  
11   l                  
23   l                  
15   l                  
1   l                  
7   l                  
26   l                  
26   l                  
31   l                  
33   l                  
21   l                  
21   l                  
8   l                  
36   l                  
6   l                  
35   l                  
19   l                  
34   l   -24               bet number 17
29   l                  
1   l                  
23   l                  
2   l                  
34   l                  
33   l                  
2   l                  
7   l                  
17   w   27               bet number 18
2   l                  
30   l                  
31   l                  
16   l                  
24   l                  
12   l                  
33   l                  
25   l                  
33   l                  
0   l                  
15   l                  
19   l                  
21   l                  
30   l                  
34   l                  
7   l                  
13   l                  
21   l                  
5   l                  
18   w   16               bet number 19
26   l                  
19   w   34               bet number 20 next



+ 69 units.


just thought ad have a quick look. 


cheers,
mattjono

[VLSroulette]

Matt, thanks for your test.

I ment if you were looking for 1-number events the best way under the grinding approach is to wait for it to miss at least a couple cycles THEN wait for it to appear AND THEN start betting 24 spins on it. If it doesn't hit, you "let go".

Like this:

- Numerical cycle for 1 number = 37 spins. In this case 37 x 2 = 74 spins. So to qualify, the number has to have skipped 74 spins minimum (in this framework, the more extreme the previous skipping conditions the merrier to have a shot at it "coming back" stronger. This is a consistent event: hot goes cold, cold goes hot, in cycles).
   
- Okay, past 74 or more skips, AFTER it hits, you start your attack for a 24-spin window. If it doesn't hit, you let it go and don't get stubborn.

- As money management you may use "Grinder's Counter" scheme: flatbet after loss / add + 1 to counter on a win.
This money management means you enter flat betting for first attack. If you hit at first 24-spin attack, count is over. If you miss first attack, then keep on flat betting your system as usual, later on your win, add +1 unit to your target number, if you hit again, add +1 again...

Decrement accordingly after a hit. For instance, if you have counter at 3 units per spin, got a hit and are -18 units to break even from your highest balance at your session, you do not rise +1 to 4 units, rather you degrade your unit for enough to cover loss = reset counter back to 1 unit.

Likewise, if you were in a deep hole, betting 5 or 6 as counter, got your hits and you find yourself at -42 from highest session balance, you downgrade to 2 units, as a hit on it would cover for the -42.

Hope this is clear. Try it. It grinds.

Anything, just feel free to ask, you know here at this forum we are around to help each other.

Your friend,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

P.S. I have grinded successfully at joyland with this 1-number approach:

- Track numbers until only 1 is left to be spun.
- Once it hits, attack for 24 spins.
- If it goes by this attack zone, let it go, retrack "looking back" again to identify the number which have the most spins without showing and wait for this number to hit.
- Repeat procedure.
- "Grinding counter" money management as exposed in post above.

At times, it almost wins flat betting, but sessions are way too long due to some sleepers taking a long nap before waking up. I don't use it as often, but I know it is a viable grind.

Regards,
Victor

[MATTJONO]

thanks alot victor.

I will follow all of what you have said, however using the streets for testing your examples. get a feel for it.

ill play this way correct me if im wrong or if any suggestions could make it stronger.


1. track 24 spins using a street tracker
2. make a note of the streets that have not hit yet.
3. wait for one of the streets you have marked to appear thats the trigger, then bet 1 unit on this street and everytime we get a hit on this street we add a extra unit so we are now betting 2units of this street, and if it hits again we add a extra unit and so on and on.  if at any time the street that we are betting on sleeps for 8 spins we take off the bets for that street. until it hits again then we can start again at 1 unit for that street.

ill see how I go on


cheers victor.


(could work well with sets of 3 numbers on the wheel)


mattjono

[MATTJONO]

P.S. I have grinded successfully at joyland with this 1-number approach:

- Track numbers until only 1 is left to be spun.
- Once it hits, attack for 24 spins.
- If it goes by this attack zone, let it go, retrack "looking back" again to identify the number which have the most spins without showing and wait for this number to hit.
- Repeat procedure.
- "Grinding counter" money management as exposed in post above.

At times, it almost wins flat betting, but sessions are way too long due to some sleepers taking a long nap before waking up. I don't use it as often, but I know it is a viable grind.

Regards,
Victor

yes number6 i am still looking at a 1 number approch, and beleive that this above that victor has told us works well and takes advantage of numbers that where sleeping and going to catch up.

a good starting point i say for the new study group 1 number approach.


mattjono

[MATTJONO]

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