dozens and colums system.

[johhnyg]

my creative side has been out the last few days and here is another system I developed last night.
It is based on dozens and colums.
The thing behind it is that often you do not get repeats on the dozens and colums.  There is a 66% chance for the next number from the previous to be either a different dozen or colum.  The system comes in three parts.
Part 1 is basic, part 2 is a bit more complex and part three will have steam coming out of your ears, lol (only joking)
Here are all the codes for the numbers.
1= 1A the 1 is the first dozen and the A is the first colum.
2= 1B
3= 1C
4= 1A
5= 1B
6= 1C
7= 1A
8= 1B
9= 1C
10= 1A
11= 1B
12= 1C
13= 2A
14= 2B
15= 2C
16= 2A
17= 2B
18= 2C
19= 2A
20= 2B
21= 2C
22= 2A
23= 2B
24= 2C
25= 3A
26= 3B
27= 3C
28= 3A
29= 3B
30= 3C
31= 3A
32= 3B
33= 3C
34= 3A
35= 3B
36= 3C
That completes that part.  For betting there are two types.  There is a "same" bet and a "difference bet"
The same bet is betting 10 splits and the difference bet is betting 8 splits.
Let me show you what I mean. 
29=3B
30=3C Here is a "same" because one of the dozens or colums has not changed.  The dozen is still dozen 3.  Only the colum has changed from B to C.
If either the dozen or colum is the same as the last one it is treated as the "same".
Now let's look at a "difference"
1= 1A
23= 2B Here is a "difference" because both the dozen and colum have changed.  The dozen has changed from a 1 to a 2 and the colum has changed from a A to a B.
I will now show you the betting charts for the "difference" bets and also for the "same" bets.

DIFFERENCE.
1A.  14/15.  17/18.  20/21.  23/24.  26/27.  29/30.  31/32.  33/36.
1B.  13/16.  19/22.  25/28.  31/34.  15/18.  21/24.  27/30.  33/36.
1C.  13/14.  16/17.  19/20.  22/23.  25/26.  28/29.  31/32.  34/35.

2A.  2/3.  5/6.  8/9.  11/12.  26/27.  29/30.  32/33.  35/36.
2B.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.  3/6.  9/12.  27/30.  33/36.
2C.  1/2.  4/5.  7/8.  10/11.  25/26.  28/29.  31/32.  34/35.

3A.  2/3.  5/6.  8/9.  11/12.  14/15.  17/18.  20/21.  23/24.
3B.  1/4.  7/10.  13/16.  19/22.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.
3C.  1/2.  4/5.  7/8.  10/11.  13/14.  16/17.  19/20.  22/23.

SAME
1A.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  13/16.  19/22.  25/28.  31/34.
1B.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  14/17.  20/23.  26/29.  32/35.
1C.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.  27/30.  33/36.

2A.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.
2B.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  2/5.  8/11.  26/29.  32/35.
2C.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  3/6.  9/12.  27/30.  33/36.

3A.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.
3B.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  2/5.  8/11.  14/17.  20/23.
3C.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.

So if you have
29= 3B and you were wanting to bet the "same" bet.  You go to the "same" chart and 3B asks you to bet
25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  2/5.  8/11.  14/17.  20/23.
30= 3C so because it stays the same you have a winning bet.  you bet 10 splits and now have 18.  A profit of 8.

If you have
1= 1A and you were wanting to bet the "difference" bet.  You go to the "difference" chart and 1A asks you to bet
14/15.  17/18.  20/21.  23/24.  26/27.  29/30.  32/33.  35/36.
23= 2B Both the dozen and colum have changed and that is why you win the "difference" bet.  you bet 8 splits and now have 18.  A profit of 10.

Tomorrow I will be back to show you how and when to bet and show you a more complex variation.  The complex variant has you betting less because the rules are more stringent.  It does throw up a higher percentage of winners.

[johhnyg]

Tonight at the casino where I have been playing recently I gave this a try.
34= 3A
4= 1A "SAME" So on noticing this I decided to give the "same" bet a try.
Looking at the same chart for 1A has me betting 1/4. 7/10. 2/5. 8/11. 3/6. 9/12. 13/16. 19/22. 25/28. 31/34.
10= 1A The first bet was a winner and for my 10 chip bet on 10 splits I am ahead 8 units.
So because it was a 1A again I just back the same 10 splits.
3= 1C The second bet was a winner as well. Another 8 units to take it to 16 in profit.
Now looking at the 1C in the same chart I am betting 1/4. 7/10. 2/5. 8/11. 3/6. 9/12. 15/18. 21/24. 27/30. 33/36.
33= 3C The third bet was another winner. Now ahead by 24 units.
Looking at 3C in the same chart and I am betting 25/28. 26/29. 27/30. 31/34. 32/35. 33/36. 3/6. 9/12. 15/18. 21/24.
33= 3C The fourth winner and ahead by 32 units. The 3C repeated and so the same bet as before.
34= 3A THAT IS NOW 5 OUT OF 5 and I am up by 40 units.
Looking at the 3A on the same chart the next bet is 25/28. 26/29. 27/30. 31/34. 32/35. 33/36. 1/4. 7/10. 13/16. 19/22
25= 3A Six out of 6 and I am flying. Up 48 units.
So 3A on the same chart is the same bet as before because the last number 34 was a 3A as well.
21= 2C. Well a loser had to come and I up 38 units.
Over the course of the evening just to get used to playing this system I used this simple variant of looking for repeats and riding them on both the "same" bets and the "difference" bets. I stopped at 100 units clear profit. A good bit of luck goes a long way. There are other ways to play this which I think long term will give better results than the basic variant I was playing but I am not knocking it.

[g-unit]

what happens if you lose do you use a progression or flat bet?

[johhnyg]

g-unit, I am going to post some more on this later today. To answer your question though I do not really like progressions where you go putting down more money after each loss. Eventually it will end a loss of titanic proportions.
Roulette in my experience is a game of cycles. If you have the patience and discipline and can wait for the good cycles to unfold then you would be better served using a positive progression where you are reinvesting a proportion of your winnings to try and accelerate your profits. It is not just the winning in roulette which is crucial. Even more important is avoiding the losses if you can. One loss using a neg progression can wipe out a lot of good work and the danger then for someone who maybe an inexperienced gambler is going on tilt and doing even more damage.

[johhnyg]

Nathan, thanks for the advice. I will look up your sectors post.
I was doing some more research on my dozens and colums system to see what more information I could gain.

DIFFERENCE.
1A.  14/15.  17/18.  20/21.  23/24.  26/27.  29/30.  31/32.  33/36.
1B.  13/16.  19/22.  25/28.  31/34.  15/18.  21/24.  27/30.  33/36.
1C.  13/14.  16/17.  19/20.  22/23.  25/26.  28/29.  31/32.  34/35.

2A.  2/3.  5/6.  8/9.  11/12.  26/27.  29/30.  32/33.  35/36.
2B.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.  3/6.  9/12.  27/30.  33/36.
2C.  1/2.  4/5.  7/8.  10/11.  25/26.  28/29.  31/32.  34/35.

3A.  2/3.  5/6.  8/9.  11/12.  14/15.  17/18.  20/21.  23/24.
3B.  1/4.  7/10.  13/16.  19/22.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.
3C.  1/2.  4/5.  7/8.  10/11.  13/14.  16/17.  19/20.  22/23.

SAME
1A.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  13/16.  19/22.  25/28.  31/34.
1B.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  14/17.  20/23.  26/29.  32/35.
1C.  1/4.  7/10.  2/5.  8/11.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.  27/30.  33/36.

2A.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.
2B.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  2/5.  8/11.  26/29.  32/35.
2C.  13/16.  14/17.  15/18.  19/22.  20/23.  21/24.  3/6.  9/12.  27/30.  33/36.

3A.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  1/4.  7/10.  25/28.  31/34.
3B.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  2/5.  8/11.  14/17.  20/23.
3C.  25/28.  26/29.  27/30.  31/34.  32/35.  33/36.  3/6.  9/12.  15/18.  21/24.

I looked at these betting charts again to see where the BLACK/ODD BLACK/EVEN RED/ODD RED/EVEN numbers were.
In the DIFFERENCE group.
1A. B-O=5. B-E=3. R-O=3. R-E=5. RATIO OF B/R=8,8. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.
1B. B-O=4. B-E=3. R-O=4. R-E=5. RATIO OF B/R=7,9. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.
1C. B-O=5. B-E=4. R-O=3. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=9,7. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.

2A. B-O=4. B-E=4. R-O=4. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=8,8. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.
2B. B-O=2. B-E=4. R-O=6. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=6,10. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.
2C. B-O=4. B-E=6. R-O=4. R-E=2. RATIO OF B/R=10,6. RATIO OF O/E=8,8.

3A. B-O=3. B-E=5. R-O=5. R-E=3. RATIO OF B/R=8,8. RATIO OF E/O=8,8.
3B. B-O=2. B-E=5. R-O=6. R-E=3. RATIO OF B/R=7,9. RATIO OF E/O=8,8.
3C. B-O=3. B-E=6. R-O=5. R-E=2. RATIO OF B/R=9,7. RATIO OF E/0=8,8.

In the SAME group.
1A. B-O=3. B-E=7. R-O=7. R-E=3. RATIO OF B/R=10,10. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
1B. B-O=4. B-E=7. R-O=6. R-E=3. RATIO OF B/R=10,10. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
1C. B-O=3. B-E=6. R-O=7. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=9,11. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.

2A. B-O=4. B-E=6. R-O=6. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=10,10. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
2B. B-O=6. B-E=6. R-O=4. R-E=4. RATIO OF B/R=12,8. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
2C. B-O=4. B-E=4. R-O=6. R-E=6. RATIO OF B/R=8,12. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.

3A. B-O=5. B-E=5. R-O=5. R-E=5. RATIO OF B/R=10,10. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
3B. B-O=6. B-E=5. R-O=4. R-E=5. RATIO OF B/R=11,9. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.
3C. B-O=5. B-E=4. R-O=5. R-E=6. RATIO OF B/R=9,11. RATIO OF O/E=10,10.

Looking at that shows us that in the DIFFERENCE and SAME groups we are only really looking at the 2B+2C in both groups where anything is strikingly different.
In the DIFFERENCE group in 2B there are 6 blacks and 10 reds.
In the DIFFERENCE group in 2C there are 10 blacks and 6 reds.
In the SAME group in 2B there are 12 blacks and 8 reds.
In the SAME group in 2C there are 8 blacks and 12 reds. 

[johhnyg]

I was planning on going to the casino this afternoon but it is pouring rain outside so I shall do some testing.
I am going to take the actuals from DUBLINBET CASINO that Poit posted and see what comes out of it.
I will start from the very beginning.
p.s. Thank you very much Poit for posting them.

35 =3B

13=2A (D) The D will stand for DIFFERENCE and the S will stand for SAME.
3= 1C (D)
7= 1A (S)
11=1B (S)
1= 1A (S)
10=1A (S)
9= 1C (S)
11=1B (S)
35=3B (S) the colum is the same as last even though the dozen has changed from 1 to 3.
24=2C (D) now both dozen and colum have changed so it is DIFFERENCE.
12=1C (S)
6= 1C (S) so far the SAME is outscoring the DIFFERENCE by 9-3. (75%-25%) betting the SAME requires 10 splits and betting the DIFFERENCE requires 8 splits. So not much difference but there are times when the SAME does streak for long periods because of the slightly higher chance of hitting.  For every 18 spins on average the SAME should come out 10 times and the DIFFERENCE should come out 8.
12=1C (S)
21=2C (S)
10=1A (D)
25=3A (S)
19=2A (S)
0= --  After 18 spins we have had 13 SAME 4 DIFFERENCE and 1 zero. We have had one decent streak (7) of SAME. Another SAME of 4 and the best the DIFFERENCE could muster was a string of 2. This is not something that will occur all the time however as there will be many times where the DIFFERENCE outstrips the SAME by the same margins.

[johhnyg]

continuing on from before. when the zero comes we can do nothing about it.

4= 1A (S)
5= 1B (S)
22=2A (D)
29=3B (D)
21=2C (D)
36=3C (S)
0= --
13=2A (D)
24=2C (S)
3= 1C (S)
0= --
18=2C (S)
8= 1B (D)
11=1B (S)
12=1C (S)
5= 1B (S)
3= 1C (S)
5= 1B (S)  That completes another 18 spins and we have 11 SAME 5 DIFFERENCE and 2 zeros.
The best streak of SAME is 5 and counting. The best streak of DIFFERENCE is 3.
One idea that springs to mind is to wait for 3 DIFFERENCE to appear in a string and then use a 4 step progression looking for it to change to SAME. In all the testing I have done over the last few days on this system I have never seen more than a streak of 5 DIFFERENCE. Now of course there will be times when it will streak maybe 10+ and a progression up to that many levels would be dangerous because it will wipe out all your winnings but something that stops at 4 losses may be a happy medium between risk and reward. Just a thought.

[johhnyg]

I think the above posts pretty much explain the basics of what I am trying to show you and now it is time to get a bit more complex and see how we can fine tune this. What I want to do now is show you some more charts.

1A.
1B. S
1C. S
2A. S
3A. S
2B. D
2C. D
3B. D
3C. D
There are 9 sections to the wheel when playing my dozens and colums section.
There is 1,4,7,10 which is section 1A.
2,5,8,11 is section 1B.
3,6,9,12 is section 1C.
13,16,19,22 is section 2A.
14,17,20,23 is section 2B.
15,18,21,24 is section 2C.
25,28,31,34 is section 3A.
26,29,32,35 is section 3B.
27,30,33,36 is section 3C.
The 9 sections are called 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B, 2C, 3A, 3B, 3C.
1A is the one above. What it shows in order is where 1A can go to on the next spin if it does not repeat itself.
It also shows when we have a "SAME" and when we have a "DIFFERENCE" from the 1A.

1B.
1C. S
2B. S
3B. S
1A. S
2A. D
2C. D
3A. D
3C. D

1C.
2C. S
3C. S
1A. S
1B. S
2A. D
2B. D
3A. D
3B. D

2A.
2B. S
2C. S
3A. S
1A. S
3B. D
3C. D
1B. D
1C. D

2B.
2C. S
3B. S
1B. S
2A. S
3A. D
3C. D
1A. D
1C. D

2C.
3C. S
1C. S
2A. S
2B. S
3A. D
3B. D
1A. D
1B. D

3A.
3B. S
3C. S
1A. S
2A. S
1B. D
1C. D
2B. D
2C. D

3B.
3C. S
1B. S
2B. S
3A. S
1A. D
1C. D
2A. D
2C. D

3C.
1C. S
2C. S
3A. S
3B. S
1A. D
1B. D
2A. D
2B. D

[johhnyg]

Now let me show you some more actuals that I took from DUBLINBET.

1= 1A
23=2B D (REMEMBER THIS STANDS FOR "DIFFERENCE")
9= 1C D
27=3C S (THIS STANDS FOR "SAME")
1= 1A D
29=3B D
18=2C D
20=2B S
18=2C S
24=2C S
3= 1C S
17=2B S
13=2A S
27=3C D
27=3C S
8= 1B D
35=3B S
19=2A D
32=3B D
31=3A S
5= 1B D
32=3B S
35=3B S
8= 1B S
26=3B S
16=2A D
11=1B D
25=3A D
4= 1A S
29=3B D
23=2B S
6= 1C D
23=2B D
15=2C S
28=3A D
15=2C D
10=1A D
1= 1A S
26=3B D
17=2B S
20=2B S
26=3B S
19=2A D

That is enough to show you what I have in mind. The basic dozens and colums bet is betting either 8 splits on a "DIFFERENCE" or 10 splits on a "SAME" as you know by now.  But let's look at a way to reduce the outlay to a few chips if we can at times to try and boost our risk to reward ratio. (as I introduce you all to more of my systems it is the one thing that I will be stressing. If you can play three solid systems with each one betting just a few chips when required. Then with good variance on your side and protected by your own discipline you will reap the rewards)
Take the first section 1A. Now let's look how many times it appeared and where it went to.

1A TO 2B
1A TO 3B
1A TO 3B
1A TO 1A
1A TO 3B

The 1st 1A appeared at the very top.
The second 1A appeared 1A D.
The third 1A appeared 1A S.
The fourth 1A appeared 1A D.
The fifth 1A appeared 1A S.

The 1A can go to 8 different sections (1B,1C,2A,3A,2B,2C,3B,3C) or repeat. Looking where it did go to, on three of the 5 occasions it went to 3B. Now 3B consists of just 4 numbers. They are 26,29,32 and 35. That is just 2 splits.
For 2 chips you can get back 18.  So this requires a lot further investigation and I can say looking at all my testing papers it is not an uncommon thing to happen. So along with playing the streaks on the "SAME" and "DIFFERENCE" bets it will pay to look out for the hot sections where you can back 2 splits.

[johhnyg]

It is also worth mentioning that in an earlier thread I mentioned it might be a good idea to wait for three "DIFFERENCE" numbers to come out in a row and then use a 4 step progression looking for the "SAME" to appear. Three "DIFFERENCE" can some times be a long time coming. So I was looking at two.
In the 40 or so spins above using two "DIFFERENCE" to appear in a row before using a 4 stop progression would have yielded 6 betting chances. 4 winning on the 1st spin and the other 2 winning on the 2nd.

[rss]

Hi, i did a quick test on 10,000 actuals and the D's are listed below:

1D than S = 1252 times
2D than S= 589
3D than S= 320
4D than S= 136
5D than S= 69
6D than S= 42
7D than S= 12
8D than S= 6
9D than S= 4
10 D than S=1
11 D than S = 1

Note that zeros are counted as  (D)
any ideas about the best progression?

[vix]

johhnyg,

In Dyslexic's thread u posted some sessions using this system right?
It seems to be doing realy well, so I decided to have a look.  I understand
how u mark the D's and S's, but how do you decide to bet on what? What did
you do in the sessions mentioned above?

Many thanx in advance,
Vix

[trylobit]

Hi johhnyg!

The basic play is clear for me... although the advanced play not...
Can you put here an example session... I'm not sure about the triggers... As every group have 9 options...

Cheers!
Trylobit

[trylobit]

Basic play:
did I play it right?
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[rss]

THinking out loud here, what about combining this system with the      'my 2 section parlay method' one?
Perhaps bet on an S after a D using the 2 section parlay method..

1 st guess is that it would require a big br!

will test it later on

[rss]

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