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Started by Innovcon, May 19, 2009, 12:23:55 PM

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Innovcon

Hello All,

If you listen to some of the experts on this forum you will at some point be told that the game of roulette can not be beaten by any type of system.  They will tell you that the only way to show a consistent profit against this game is to employ a method that exploits the physical properties of the roulette wheel.  I could not disagree more.  And to be honest I am sick of hearing it.  So I have decided to teach everyone here how to beat this game.  As a matter of fact I am going to show you exactly STEP-BY-STEP how to earn over $100,000 this very year playing this game from the comfort of your home.  Dont worry Victor I am not selling anything.  All that will be needed to know is contained in this post.

Lets get started...

First thing you need to understand is that the online gaming community is huge.  There are a ton of casinos to choose from.  This has brought about fierce competition for your gambling dollars.  This has brought about the casinos offering a game to you with ZERO house advantage.  The non-zero roulette wheel.  I am sure even the math guys would agree that this game has no built in advantage for the casinos.  They do however make a profit long term on these wheels.  How that occurs is a conversation for another time.  Bottom line is that the non-zero roulette wheel is your vechicle.  I know of at least two casinos currently offering this game.  I am sure there are more but for the purposes of this post two is plenty.

So now we know what specific type of roulette we are going to play.  But how are we going to turn a profit?  We are going to grind my friends.  GRIND!

Now comes the point where we lose the math experts.  I am going to tell you that if you bet BOTH sides of any even chance wager on a non-zero roulette wheel using just about any form of a PLUSCOUP or DIVISOR staking method you will win long term.  I am sure that I will get bashed for that statement but I am prepared to prove it when the time comes.  I will say that I have run MILLIONS of decisions using a very simple Pluscoup progression on both sides of all 3 of the even chances against a non-zero wheel and the results are always positive.  The net win will hover right around a .02-.03% player advantage.  What does that mean?  Well it means that for every dollar you bet you will win about 1/4 of one cent.

How the hell can we win $100,000 a year winning 1/4 of one cent for every dollar we wager?  Thats the fun part...

OK so now we know we can win.  We know we will win that 1/4 of a cent per dollar wagered on each of the even chances.  We also know we can bet both sides of each even chance and since this is a non-zero wheel it doesn't matter which side we bet.  So we bet both sides of each even chance with our Pluscoup or Divisor staking plan.  That of course allows us to place double the amount of bets on each even chance.  We of course do this for all three even chances so now we have 6X that 1/4 of a cent and we are now up to 1.5 cents per spin.

OK.  Lets say I agree with all that is written above.  How the hell can we win $100,000 per year at only 1.5 cents per spin??

Okey dokey, lets keep going.

We know that online roulette is fast.  Even a human can get a bet placed and a decision every 5 seconds or so.  So lets say we can get a spin result every 5 seconds on average.  That is a total of 12 decisions per minute.  or just over 700 decisions per hour.  Remember we are winning 1.5 cents per decision.  So 700 decisions X 1.5 cents and we are looking at over $10.00 per hour.  Holy crap really?  Holy crap YES!

What type of human can do this for hours on end getting 12 bets placed every hour on both sides of all three even chances while keeping track of a staking method and doing this correctly without mistakes?  Are you crazy?

Your right of course.  But we as humans dont need to do it.  We know that we all have computers.  After all we are talking about ONLINE roulette.  We simply create a bot to do it for us.  Understand that there are already roulette bots available on the market.  Some of those creators are on this very forum.  As a matter of fact there is a bot already commercially available that is designed specifically to run on one of those two non-zero roulette sites we talked about earlier.  You simply need to have a bot created...or a commercially available one modified...to run one of the above staking plans in the manner I described.  No one said it was going to be a total freeby people.  There is a little effort involved.

OK so were on our way.  Now its just a matter of GRINDING!!!

We run our bot 24 hours a day.  We do this because we set up multiple accounts.  Maybe 4 accounts of 6 hrs per day should do the trick.  So 24 hrs a day at $10.00 per hour and we got a nice sum of $240.00 per day correct?  Wait, we have two available sites no?  So we do this on BOTH sites.  We have just doubled our money and now we have $480.00 per day.  So now lets do some math...

$480.00 per day X 7 days per week X 52 weeks per year =

$175,000.00 per year.  Give or take a few bucks.

you say sure it sounds great...but it cant be reality.  I will tell you for a fact I have been doing this exact same thing on the internet poker sites for the last 4 years.  It is not only possible but I am doing it this very second.  So now it is up to you.  If you think this cant be done so be it.  I know it can.  Opportunity is knocking!

-Innovcon

Mr J

I very much appreciate your post!!!  "They will tell you that the only way to show a consistent profit against this game is to employ a method that exploits the physical properties of the roulette wheel.  I could not disagree more." << I agree with that. I do not agree with playing on-line, sorry, my opinion.  Ken 

Breeze88

Hi Nice Post ...


I dont really now if it might work . because i have no experience with no zero roulette yet...

but lets assume it works.. like you described.. wouldnt the casinos be aware of bot user who run 24H long sessions.. and making profits all the time ?

i guess you will be in the first 2 days on there radar .. and in the next two daysyou might get banned.. if not you get problems when you want to withdraw your winnings...


the idea sounds good.. but the casinos wont make it that easy..

cheerz

Innovcon

I understand.  The online game is not for everyone.  I have many friends who I know only play B&M casino poker.  They will never play online.  I believe they are missing an oportunity but to each his own.  The above post was simply to state that online roulette can be beaten for good money.  It may not be the way you envisioned it...but it can be profitable in a big way.

I grinded my way up the levels in poker for many years.  I did this both online and in the casinos.  It took me a long time to understand that I dont need to win a lot of money per HR.  I just need to win a little bit every hour of every day of every year.  This is the modern age. Online casino bots are a reality.  Be it poker or roulette there is an oportunity there.

I have no doubt that of all the people who may read this post not one will actually do this.  Not because it cant be done...but because the effort will not be put forth.

-Innovcon

Innovcon

Yes of course the casinos will catch on...if you are not careful.

STEALTH!

nolinks.pokerai.org

It is a poker bot related site but that makes no difference.  On that site you can learn all you need to know about STEALTH! as it pertains to botting on the internet.  The template is out there.  This has been done before and is being done right now.  We are not re-inventing the wheel folks.

-Innovcon

simon

uh, actually I'd be happy just to make minimum wage.  are you sure there's no way to do this at a b&m casino?  I could stay there all day and read a book while I'm playing or whatever...

rjeaton1

It is this fact (doesn't matter how little the win is, as long as it's there over time and I'm "playing" all the time) that has forced me to look for systems that win slowly but over the long haul.  This is the reason for my recent posts showing money won over 10, 20, 100k spins or so.

I will still release systems in the "full systems" part of the forum that can turn a profit short term, or maybe even over the course of 1,000 spins.  But as of late I have resigned myself to designing systems that are really made for "botting" at online casinos.

This was a great post Innovocon, and it's a good point in my opinion

Proofreaders2000

Actually, that sounds fantastic! I like the idea of bots. As an American player, however there is the issue of the ban.  Moreover, RNGs are smart.  They catch on to betting patterns, not to mention the algorithm changes.

RPro75

That was really a great post by Innovcon.  There is no doubt in my mind that this can and is being done.  It makes perfect sense.  As far as the casino's catching on, I would think that you should have an account at like 8 or 10 casinos and just run your bot for like two hours a day every other day at a certain casino, or something like that.  Also, maybe every now and then it would be OK for you to "lose" a session to stay under the radar.  I agree with Innovcon that consistent money can be made with roulette.  I have been making on the average $50 a day for about 19 days now in the B & M casino near my home.  A lot of the better systems I have created allow you to get up $50 easily each and every time.  I think anyone can do it, it's just greed that kills the bankroll.  Nobody wants to walk after having won "only $50".  Well, as Innovcon pointed out, a little bit every day adds up.  That's the way to beat roulette, if you ask me.  I have been making a trip every day so that is $50 X 7 = $350 X 52 = $18,200 per year.  Not a bad part time job.  It's really fun too and it doesn't feel like work!  Of course, I wish there was some way I could prove it because a lot of people don't believe me.  I just don't know how it can be proved.  The casino doesn't give you "win receipts" as far as I know.  Well, anyway, I guess I don't have to prove it to anyone anyway.

See_Jerek

Hello mate,

Your concepts look really interesting,the only thing we are most worried about is the idea of playing on RNG.
It might just work who knows.We can all give it a try with some stakes and see how they go,there is nothing much to lose.
Another thing we can work on is to take their bonuses and use it against them,how do you think?

Homeito

Hello,

Innovcon and Breeze...

You bet both sides of the even chances on a no-zero RNG "wheel".

If you you are afraid that the RNG software will notice what you are doing maybe you should consider differential betting?
Because you use a no-zero wheel the DB itself makes no difference at all (but lower your bets) but I imagine that it is a good way to hide what you are doing.

The DB will make it look as if you jump between the two bets at random.
And it is the same with the chips: Different amounts all the time.

You can even use one progression for one bet (maybe a negative on Black) and another for the opposite bet (maybe a positive on Red).
What do you think a analyzing software can recognize in such bet-patterns? :)


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

Innovcon

Keep in mind folks that the well would run dry eventually.  It is a fact.  There is nothing you can do about it.  You can use some common sense and be smart about how you would employ your bot and when...but it will come to an end.  No doubt about it.  I have botted on over 10 different poker sites at different times over the last 4 years.  I have moved from site to site for many different reasons.  Some were my own choice and some of the times I was forced to do so.  I have however NEVER had an account closed.  I have had funds frozen and had to prove that it was my accounts.  But I was prepared for that and it always ended up working out.

There would be alot of questions to be answered and some hoops to jump thru but the bottom line is beating the non-zero wheel online for a decent amount of money running a bot is a very real possibility.  It truly is not a matter of if it can be done but rather if you are willing to work at doing it.

-Innovcon

Tangram

Hi Innovcon,

Interesting post and thanks for sharing. I've never played poker but I always assumed that players play against other people (not some kind of RNG) and that you need to employ psychological tactics to make money at it, but you seem to be saying that it's all based on probabilities, is that right? There are 2 versions of poker available at betfair exchange games, but you can never get any value from the odds available, plus when you factor in the commission charges, it's hardly worthwhile (just like the other exchange games).

By the way, I only know of one no-zero casino other than BetVoyager, and that's Betfair, but the betting limits are so pathetic that you'd have a job trying to use any kind of progression successfully. Is that the other no-zero casino you were thinking of?

vix

Quote from: Innovcon link=topic=9353.  msg57572#msg57572 date=1242773733

There would be alot of questions to be answered and some hoops to jump thru but the bottom line is beating the non-zero wheel online for a decent amount of money running a bot is a very real possibility.    It truly is not a matter of if it can be done but rather if you are willing to work at doing it. 


So, let's say we are willing to work at it.  Would you be willing to answer the questions and show us the loops to jump through?
Regards,
Vix

See_Jerek

I think its a good idea,a few of us can pool our resources,money,time etc to make this work

See_Jerek

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