Reverse Numbers and 1-9 system

[TwoCatSam]

bloom

What we have here is a universal question.  It has been brought up on the Six Sector system of Diarmaid's on the other forum

Suppose you use the old Chippo system, somewhat modified, as Diarmaid is using it.  We watch for three sectors to hit out of the last six spins.  This becomes the "hot" sector.  A sector is six numbers adjacent to each other on the wheel, not the board.  So we have this:

5
4
3
4
3
3

We have three sectors come in the last six spins: the third sector.  We begin betting for six spins that the third sector will appear again.  The dealer spins and hits sector 1, a loss.  He spins again and hits sector 4, my second loss.  Again and he hits the 4, my third loss.  I still have three spins to go in my progression.  The last six sectors now look like this

4
3
3
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4

Now, if you sat down, applied the rule of looking at the last six sectors, you would bet on sector 4, would you not.  I am on 3, you are on 4; who is right?  Who is betting the hot sector?  Do we have two hot sectors?

These are questions which can be swept under the rug while testing, but will tear you up when betting.  They must be answered, to my way of thinking, before you begin risking money.

Now, consider my question to Jakkalsdraai:

Jakkalsdraai      

Considering the reverse numbers, you count 10, 20 and 30 in your betting schemes.  Why do you not consider 01, 02 and 03 to be in the mix?

Maybe I don't understand what a "reverse number" is.

S

Notice I said I might not understand what a reverse number is?

So, what is it?  23 reverses to 32  21 to 12  32 to 23 and so on and so on.  Jakkalsdraai clearly bets on the 10 as is illustrated in his post:

"10 > Reverse numbers win! I win!!!! Wait for trigger for reverse numbers."

So if 32 is the reverse of 23, what is the reverse of 10?  If 13 is the reverse of 31, what is the reverse of 10?  If you flip it backwards, it's 01 and that was my question.  10, 20 and 30 are clearly named in his list of reverse numbers.  What are their reverses?

To me it is a simple, logical question.

Sam

[bloomone2002]

Ahhhh! ok Sam, thanks for the clarification. Well, I think in answer to all your questions in the context of this thread, since as Jakk states in not set in stone, let make a few decisions on these questions, and test the perspective change and then evaluate the result. If it were me, I prefer to keep the numbers the same for this system and either play both hot sectors as separate games, just like the reverse and splits, or if pre-qualifying the table and it is not splitting out the hot sectors or the reverse numbers, then I would play the remaining 24 numbers systems instead to a certain stop win level.

[Iwonder]

Hi Guys
I;ve been following this thread with some interest and been doing some testing on my own numbers.  I did a test on 679 numbers, all taken in order from the one table and came up with a -1079 unit result playing both reverse and split.  I thought maybe I had missed something, but I confirmed with the posted number test I was playing the same way as you guys.
I still think there is merit here, though.  I decided to strip the idea back to absolute basics and focus on just the reverse numbers to start.  Over the same numbers, I charted a simple wL with the following rules:
1. After a trigger of a reverse number play all reverse numbers for four spins, or until a win
2. Treat a winning reverse number as another trigger
The result was +144 units flat betting.
I will post the Lw in another post, but there are a number of things I determined:
1. Reverse numbers appear no more often than their expected values
2. Having three or four reverse numbers on a marquee of 10 - 14 numbers should be no surprise as this is the expected number (around 1/3 considering we are playing 12 out of 37 numbers)
3. Having said all that, these numbers do seem to have an uncanny knack of appearing in clumps.

Point 3 is purely anecdotal as I have nothing to compare it with.  I can't say they clump more than numbers with a 2 in them, or the  numbers from the last 4 busses that went by, or any other method of choosing numbers.

What I did deduce is that we need to find a good 'get in' point and a good 'get out' point.  I'm not convinced that playing 4 after a trigger is the best approach in all circumstances.
So I will post my Lw in thenext post and hope what I have provided is useful.
The Lw ispurely of spins that would have been played, therefore trigger spins are not included.

Just one last point:
I agree with Sam on the 1 2 3 issue.  If the assumption is that 10,20 and 30 are reverse numbers, then logically, to me at least, we are indeed giving the 0 a weight that needs to be considered at the other end.  Having said that, I am always weary of a system that requires more than twelve numbers played so I am happy to keep the status quo.

Cheers

[Iwonder]

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[Jakkalsdraai]

OK, I'll try to explain the way I see it. or let me put it this way the way I argued.

According to me 0 has no value on it's own any other number 123456 etc. do have a value. If the zero appears behind a number with value then the zero changes the numbers value as well. For instance 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 etc. if the zero was in front of the number, no change. The value of the number do not get changed. For instance, 01, 001, 0001, 00001 etc. Still stays 1. So maybe these numbers 10, 20, 30 should be classified as disadvantaged reverse numbers (to be political correct!) You see, I can take these numbers and reverse them. I will get other numbers on the roulette wheel. For instance 01,02,03 which in turn is 1,2,3. So let's call them half reverse numbers. because they only reverse halfway. how do you reverse 1,2,3.
Not possible. You see, 1 is 1, 2 is 2, 3 is 3. That is the arguement I had behind the selection of the reverse numbers...or should I say half reverse numbers!

Hi "I Wonder", yes regarding the results you got from the systems on the one wheel. Bloome and myself have decided that wheel selection and qualification is very, very important. It may work today on a specific wheel, tomorrow not. So by virtual play and qualifying a table, I believe you will have much better results. Also I have noticed sometimes that a wheel can qualify only for reverse and not splits or the other way round. Usually though I think they should qualify together because of overlapping numbers (10,22,30,31) So if they feature in the reverse setup your splits will feature too.

Thanks for your participation.

Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai

[Iwonder]

Hi Jakkalsdraai
So what qualification are you using?  

[Jakkalsdraai]

Basically I play in virtual mode for a couple of spins and see how it pans out. You can for qualificatin purposes look at previous results as well and qualify from that. If you see that a specific table shows vey little reverse numbers 2 and less I wouldn't play. Rather watch a while or return later. Haven't checked it yet but they form patterns as well.

Cheers
Jakkalsdraai

[TwoCatSam]

"Starting with reverse numbers. Most of you will know them but for those who do not here they are. 10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33. Reason why they are called reverse numbers are because you can turn them around and get another number on the roulette wheel. Double numbers (11,22,33) also qualify as reverse numbers for obvious reasons."  FROM POST ONE OF THIS THREAD

First, I take issue with turning an 11 around and calling it another number; it's still and 11 anyway your slice it.  If you spell Bob's name backward, what do you get?  Hello, Bob!

But my real argument is this: "they are called reverse numbers are because you can turn them around and get another number on the roulette wheel."  I am asking a plain and simple question?  What do you get when your turn 10, 20 and 30 around on the roulette wheel.??

The reverse number idea does have some merit.  Long before I heard of Jakkalsdraii I read of this phenomenon and studied it some back then.  However, they author used numbers which truly could be turned around.  23 for example becomes 32.  If memory serves me right, he called it the "Doppelganger" system.  

The really big question is why don't we use 14 as a reverse number.  Well, theres no 41.  So why use 10?  Many places I put in my birthday calls for 01/.....   My credit card expiry date is 0/11 and so forth.  While zero truly has no value when placed left of the decimal point, it is, nevertheless, a place-holder.

IDEA!!

I will try this with my repeater number plan.  If a number repeats within five spins (21 x x x 21) play for repeaters.  There can be no more than 3 numbers between the repeaters.  Play until you can see no repeaters within a ten-spin window and within five spins of each other.  If you get this: 3 x x x 3, you have a new trigger.  One more x and you don't.   Now, substitute reverse-ers for repeaters and you got it.  

TwoCatSam

[Jakkalsdraai]

OK, it's clear TCS is the man.

but when accordind to me if you turn 1 around you get 1. Oh wait let's see 01 should be 10! AAhhh! now I get it...but wait isn't 001 a hundred. mmmmmmmmm! so if you see a 1,2,3 how do you know how many zeroes are in front of it...or placeholders that is. Beats the shit out of me! so how can we turn 1 around, cause effectively it could be 100, 1000, 10000 mmmmm!
Reason why 11,22,33 are reverse numbers are, yes you guessed it, you can reverse them and yes it does give the same number but it is reversable. Sorry that my exact words didn't describe it as so. Oh yes if you reverse "Bob" you get "Bob" not "hello Bob"

Anyway whatever. I'm getting sick of arguing with someone about something as trivial as that! If you want to add 1,2,3 for your purposes, please be my guest! As far as the system goes, it's a damn pity you didn't mention before that you've seen this somewhere else a long long long time ago. You could of saved us alot of time and enlightened us with original Doppelganger or whatever it was called. Maybe you can post a link or something. If you think I should have respect for you TCS because you've started this forum together with Vic and Lanky, sorry Mate. Respect is earned. Lanky and Vic I respect. CD, Ronjo, Kimo Li, Matty and the like I respect. All of them excellent roulette players but just as important , excellent people! You however have not got my respect as you obviously do not respect me. It is clear to me that we are not compatable which really does not bother me in the least. All that this means is avoiding each other, cool with me.

Jakkalsdraai

[Alfa_Street]

Hi Jakkalsdraai,

You are wrong on this one mate. TwoCatSam is right and the reverse numbers from 10.20.30. are 1.2.3. Of course it is not important because you use the numbers you choose for your system. Here you can read about reverse numbers.
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inverse or vertibili of the 36 numbers

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Inverse or vertibili of the 36   numbers of the roulette



The table me has been  demanded  in a comment of the 25.4.2007  from Gianni    

numbers of roulette  the 1.  2. 3  . 4  . 5. 6. 7.  8 9.
vertibili  10.20.30.40.50.60.70.80.90

numbers of roulette10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18  
the vertibili 1.19.21.31.41.51.61.71.81

numbers of roulette19.20.21.22.23.24.25.26.27  
the vertibili 11. 2. 12.29.32.42.52.62.72

numbers of roulette 28.29.30.31.32.33.34.35.36  
vertibili 82.22.3.13.23.39.43.53.63

hour all the inverse numbers that exceed the number base 36 go to it embezzled,

therefore it is embezzled

39-36 =3

40-36 =4  50-36 =14  60-36 =24  70-36 =34  80-36 = 44 (44-36) =8 and 44-18 =26

42-36 =6  52-36 =16  62-36 =26  72-36 =36  82-36 =46 (46-36) =10 and 46-18 =28

43-36 = 7  53-36 =17   63-36 =27

the zero that form 37esimo the number care the roulette French  and double quantity zero that forms 38esimo the number of the roulette American  is inserted in the diagram in hidden shape therefore nobody it will be able at the moment to see. And however the zero exist  and have a determining value in the game  .

A council for Gianni  and all the customers  :  printed publication and conserved  this table

a day you will return profit  when I reveal the value of the zero and as the zero  generate the events and the combinations , repeating  the same events and the same combinations in two hours approximately of effective game

Good reading  

[Jakkalsdraai]

Hi Alpha,

My argument is that I agree that 123 are the reverse of 10,20,30. But because they cannot reverse themselves (123) I did not include them (123) 10,20,30 I did include. Maybe I shouldn't of called them reverse numbers, just my numbers. That alone would of settled some differences. Unfortunately TCS goes beyond that and I have nothing further to say to him. Not everybody can like everybody. I'm fine with that.

Jakkalsdraai

[Jakkalsdraai]

Actually I'm also finished with this post, as TCS knows more about this way of play and can be of more assistance than me.

Jakkalsdraai

[bloomone2002]

I see both sides of fence, and for the purpose of common ground, it would be practical to call them numbers rather than reverse and hopefully TCS can post his repeaters samples and system modification on a new thread as a suggestion.  or call them "galaxy numbers" ...lol

Also, TCS if you decide to test this system with additional numbers you are proposing, i would be interested in your results.

I personally dont want to get lockstepped on the concept....rather how do i profit......that's my business.

Jakkalsdraai, I am personally still interested in your progress on this system as i am still testing it with positive results. Whether you post here on PM is fine by me.
Personally, though i still think you can add more value to all of us with your input on this system.

[TwoCatSam]

Look for it under completed systems.

[TwoCatSam]

"If you think I should have respect for you TCS because you've started this forum together with Vic and Lanky, sorry Mate."

Out of respect for Victor and the truth, I simply cannot let that statement be published without a rebuttal.  I have never, at any time on any forum claimed to have started this forum.  I was just one of the first here; Victor L. Senior started this by himself.

I will not apologize for asking a simple question which was never answered, by the way.  

We never learn from people who agree with us.  Until some joker somewhere says, "Now, wait a minute....." the learning process never begins.  Sometimes that trickster is the roulette wheel showing us it can hit twenty reds in a row!!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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