My First Casino Banning...Kind Of!

[RPro75]

Well, I'm a little dissappointed.  I don't know whether or not to be upset with myself or the casino.  Well, it seems that I have been noticed by management.  I could take it as a complement, or I could consider it a loss.  I guess it's like RJEaton said, "It's better to see the glass half full."  The problem is, that makes my pockets emptier.  Here is how it went down.  I joined this particular casino 3 days ago.  If you have read my LW thread, you'd know that I have joined 10 online casinos to date to "stay off the radar."  The thinking is that if I can win 3 or 4 units a day ($30 or $40) from each of them, I'd be doing OK.

So far, it's been working well, too.  I joined two more casinos today because I wanted to have a total of 12, that way I could go a day or two without playing at some of them.  Also, you have to take into a consideration that at most casinos it is a $35 fee to make a withdrawal.  I try to only do one withdrawal a day.  Anyway, I'm getting off track.  The casino i joined 3 days ago offered me a bonus of 100% match on my deposit.  I decided to start with $50, which is what I always start with at a casino the first time to test it out.

That gave me a beginning bankroll of $100.  I played a little that day, and got my balance up to about $135.  This morning, I decided to play again and played for about three hours and did really well.  i got my balance up to I think $403.  I went to the cashier to see if my playthrough had been fulfilled and I noticed it had but it still said I only had $50 available for withdrawal. (I'm assuming my original $50)  I inquired with the live chat representative and he said to hold on a second (It was more like 10 minutes).  In that time, I noticed my balance all of a sudden changed to $50!!!  I asked the live chat rep what happened and I noticed the names had changed.  This guy got on and said that since I got a bonus, only money I won on SLOTS and KENO could be cashed out, and since the only game I played was roulette, that voided out my winnings and my $50 bonus casino chip!!!  Furthermore, he said if I deposited any more money I could play any games I wanted, but that I would only be allowed to withdraw my winnings from SLOTS and KENO!!!!!!! 

I asked him where did it say this in the rules and he COULD NOT show me, and I couldn't find it anywhere.  He just told me some s*hit about how casino management reserves the rights to make any decisions regarding withdrawal and that was in the rules and I had agreed to it and if I did not like it, they would refund my $50 immediately and close my account!!!  I won't mention the name of the casino, but heres a clue; What animal purr's when it is happy??

[Davemd]

Hi Rpro,

I never take any bonus when I join a casino,

then you can withdraw your money instantly after all the security checks,

still takes about 5 days to go into my account.

I have never had a problem withdrawing winnings from any game I have been playing though,

I think they have stiched you up somewhere m8,

                                                                 Regards,

                                                                            Dave.

[Moreof]

At a few online casinos that give you deposit bonuses you have to bet a certain amount before you can take your winnings.  I didnt know this at the first of the casino and I had won £150 or so and then when withdrawing it gave an error.  I went on live chat, and they said I simply had to bet 2/3rds of the bonus on one of the supported games, so I bet the winnings on slots and I did lost some but I still made £75 profit + initial holding + the bonus.  Not as much as I could have made, but thats what they said, and I assume thats whats happened at yours.

I dont think they refused because they think you are cheating, simply because you didnt meat the bonus withdrawel requirements

[VLSroulette]

Hi mate,

You should never take any casino bonus unless there is previous agreement about roulette.

Some of them rule-out any form of roulette at their terms,

What animal purr's when it is happy?

...erm... the CAT?

(nolinks.coolcat-casino.com)

Your mate,
Victor

[Shorty]

Actually this has happened to a lot of people. This is why casinos have bonuses, so they can back out of paying you.

[RPro75]

I met the wagering requirements, all right.  It was 15X the bonus.  That meant I had to wager at least $600.  I played at least 600 spins with at least $2 wagered per spin.  That's $1200 right there.  Then I had also messed around with some Baccarat a few days ago.  I probably wagered at least another $200 then.  I just think they didn't like the fact that I was consistently winning.  I've heard of this happening to other people.  The strange thing is, he told me that because I took a bonus all I could wager on was slots and keno.  They took the bonus away and left with me my original $50!!!  I asked about what happens if I deposit just my own money and he said they would only pay me out what I won on slots and keno.  I asked him about the rules, and he said that "management reserves the right to deny any withdrawal at any time".  He also said I could play any game I want, but they decide when and if I can withdraw.  Then he got really snippy and said if I didn't like the rules maybe I should play elsewhere.  I am not saying that they are afraid of me or anything, I think they just don't want to pay out in general.  I mean, who can win on just slots and keno, and why do they have the other games anyway if they will only pay winnings on slots and keno?  What they basically said was that my only options if I wanted to make any kind of withdrawal there was to play slots or keno.  I bet if I had lost the bonus and was down to my original $50 or less they would have let me withdraw it.  I think it's because I made $350 off of $50 basically on roulette that they balked.  Something smells fishy, I say, and it ain't Friskies cat food!

[RPro75]

Hi mate,

You should never take any casino bonus unless there is previous agreement about roulette.

Some of them rule-out any form of roulette at their terms,

...erm... the CAT?

(nolinks.coolcat-casino.com)

Your mate,
Victor

That in and of itself says that the casinos are just a little wary of us savvy roulette "freaks". LOL

[Herb]

I'm guessing you found a way around the US ban on online casino play?

[RPro75]

I'm guessing you found a way around the US ban on online casino play?

A few helpful hints to do that:

1.  You can usually only make deposits using a "pre-paid" credit card.  There are some web sites that will take money from your real cards and turn it into a pre-paid card.  Also, you can deposit via Money Gram at a lot of them.  The ones that accept US customers will usually have this option.

2.I have been told to never, under any circumstances, wire money from the casino into your bank account.  You can, however, turn it into cash and then deposit it.  I have been using Money Gram. Arizona has a law in effect that you can only make one international Money Gram transaction per 24 hours of not more than $450.  That's OK, I've been doing one every other day for about $400 each.  I try to limit the withdrawals because they cost $35 each and then the Money-Gram vendor will usually take 1-2%.  The reason it is OK to turn it into cash and then deposit it is because if it is questioned, there is no way to prove that you did not just go to your local B & M casino and win.

3.If the Money Gram provider asks you where the money is coming from or what the reason is for the transaction (which they will as a security measure), you never tell them it is from online gambling winnings.  I was told that by a few of the casinos directly when I set up my withdrawal forms. Simply say it is from a relative or a spouse overseas.  The vendor can refuse to complete the transaction if they think it is from an online casino.

Also, some pre-paid cards have a "direct deposit" option where they'll actually give you a bank account number and a routing number.  I've been told that the casinos will wire the money onto the card and then you can go to an ATM and withdraw, but I've never tried it.

The thing with the bank account is that if you get audited by the IRS, they could freeze your bank accounts if they see any transfers from overseas, especially online casinos.  It is extremely rare, but you could theoretically be charged.  It is illegal.

[Herb]

It's not illegal to receive wire transfers from oversea though.  Just from the casinos I guess.

[geoff365]

Interesting.

The enemy of roulette is patience? or is it....... The enemy of roulette is boredom? (And it is boring, as we all know).


Too many accounts? Are the online casinos linked? Is information passed amongst them?

Does anyone read the small print?

The "Enemy" is very good at their job. Better than any government.

[RPro75]

Interesting.

The enemy of roulette is patience? or is it....... The enemy of roulette is boredom? (And it is boring, as we all know).


Too many accounts? Are the online casinos linked? Is information passed amongst them?

Does anyone read the small print?

The "Enemy" is very good at their job. Better than any government.

This may be true.  Many of the casinos seem to have the same format and operate very much alike.  It could be that there are just a handful of site designers, or a lot of then are indeed the same company.  I suppose they wouldn't want you to know for obvious reasons.

[Proofreaders2000]

I've experienced some "playthrough requirements" difficulties.  What I was told, if the casino accepted roulette wagers toward the bonus (as Victor said) only counted 2% of the total wagers toward the bonus. So if you win $100, only $2 count toward the bonus.
So 15x a $100 deposit would require you to make $7500. (Believe me, online casinos make lots of money this way.)

[Just_Gabe]

Well, it is very well known that one should NEVER take casino bonuses due to restricting wagering requierements that only apply on slots and keno  =/
Happened to me the first time like 99% of first time players at roulette  and the only option is to decline all bonuses so you can wager and
cash out freely.

[Boo_Ray]

I met the wagering requirements, all right.  It was 15X the bonus. 

Usualy in online casinos, except dublinbet and jebet.. Wagering doesn't count on any table games

[Boo_Ray]

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