Can we refute this still Found this On GG posted a few years back

[Natural9]

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Hi Friends!:

Please read the folowing>


I am honest and sincere to convince to you that this secret works. I have tested it live and I have also tested it in computer real shoes simulation and it passed 1000, 10,000, or even 100,000. I also tested it for 1,000,000 computer simulated shoes and it still worked.
The reason is very simple - if my method does not work, then all the casino in the world will be closing down. As long as casino still survive ( as solid as ususal ), my method will never failed.

I have seen abundance number of so-called system in the market place. For example, Leonard Benson New Advantage Plus system, Dragon baccarat ( $5000 U.S. ), Ultimate baccarat ( the developed claimed that he found an edge to beat the casino ) and those you sent me 2 months ago (just for fun), and etc. I have tested them out one by one using computer real shoe simulation. None of them even passed 100 shoes and still show a positive results. The Tracker system, with whom the developer claimed that he can beat all system in marketplaces, passed the 200 shoes test but showed a big failure after.

The bottom line is so simple. They will not worked because none of the system has A REAL EDGE to fight the casino. It has been proven mathematically that no system will gain an edge over random number in the long run and they will all failed utimately and miserably. That is why casino is making money time after time and it is always the winner or utimate winner.

The secret that I will reveal to you now WILL NOT FAIL. It passed all the simulation and the result is ALWAYS WINNING. Once you know that secret, it will TOTALLY change the way you look at baccarat and eliminate all the fear and threat posed by the casino. I discoverd this secret myself and when I first showed it to my Ph.D Mathematican friend, he told me that it is justified to be working. He was in an ectasy over seeing it and he could not sleep that night. We both then went to the casino and tested it and played it live and result is spectacular. It worked and generated lucrative money.


Here is the secret:


Most of the system developers try to do abundance researh on analyzing pattern, progression, etc. None of them had so far try to analyzing why the casino always make money and try to approach this whole thing by using a different perspective.

CASINO = Winner = Ultimate Winner = making money on an hourly, daily, weekly, and montly basis.

PLAYER = Losser = Ulitmate Losser = win some money in short time = illusion = loss all eventually = Never making consistent money on an hourly, daily, weekly and monthly basis.

Therefore, if we want to win, we HAVE TO BE THE CASINO OR BE PART OF THE CASINO.

Let me walk you thru to my secret: Now, try to imagine yourself standing behind the baccarat dealer ( or house ) and analyze things from that starting point.

Let me define some a very important term first.

NET DIFFERENCE = Total accumulated dollar amounts of all the BANKER's bet subtract Total accumulated dollar amount of all the PLAYER's bet.

For example, if there are 3 players betting on BANKER, we add up all dollar amounts for the 3 players. Then we add up all the dollar amounts for all the players who are betting on PLAYER. Now we subtract one total from the other and we get the NET DIFFERENCE.

Question: How does the house make money in baccarat?

Answer: Amazingly enough. No body had ever realized yet that the house is always targetting to grasp the Net Differences. The house is always targetting to win the majority of bets. Those Net Differences is so vulnerable and will eventually sucked up by the house.

Some people think that the house is making money by taking a commission on BANKER's bet. This is true but it is NOT the house's major target. Commission is like peanuts to the house. The house does not live on COMMISSION only to pay the dealer's wages and the electric bill. The house is targetting to get the net difference from us and it will get it with a very good success rate and will get it all utimately. This is why the house is winning so much and more on an hourly, daily, monthly basis.

SO, WE NEED TO FOLLOW WHAT THE HOUSE IS TARGETTING ON and STAY WITH THE HOUSE.

Let me demonstrate by some example:

abbreviation: ATDA = Accumulate Total Dollar Amount

example 1: The ATDA of all the BANKER's bet is $500. and the ATDA of all the PLAYER's bet is also $500. Then the house can only make COMMISSION's profit if the BANKER wins.

example 2: The ATDA of all the BANKER's bet is $500 and the ATDA of all the PLAYER's bet is $1500. The Net Differences is $1000 and this is what the house is targetting on or the house is hoping that the PLAYER will lose. Once the PLAYER losss, then the house can grasp the net difference. Of couse, if the BANKER wins, then the house will need to pay the net difference. IT DOES NOT MATTER because in the long run or further down in the same shoe, the house will get the Net Differences more right than wrong.

example 3: The ATDA of all the BANKER'S bet is $2000 and the ATDA of all the PLAYER'S bet is $0. The net difference is now $2000 and the house is hoping that the PLAYER will win and grasp the $2000.

Therefore, we should always place our bet against the strong money side ( or stronger ATDA side ) = we are following the house = WE ARE THE HOUSE = WE ARE PART OF THE HOUSE.

Therefore,
For example 1, we place our bet AGAINST the strong ATDA side, meaning that we place our bet on BANKER.
For example 2, we place our bet AGAINST THE strong ATDA side, menaing that we place our bet on BANKER.
For example 3, we place our bet AGAINST THE strong ATDA side, menaing that we place our bet on PLAYER.

In summary, we do not care about how many players bet on BANKER or PLAYER, we only care about the ATDA on BANKER or PLAYER. If there is only 1 person betting on BANKER and 6 persons betting on PLAYERS. But if that 1 person is betting $2000 and the ADTA of the other 6 person is only $400. Then the house is now targetting on the strong ADTA side to loss so that the house can win the majority of the ADTA and grasp the net difference of $1600 cold cash.

Let me tell you a story about how the casino operates in Macau.
We called it the Monte Carlo of the Asia. The casino there is named the Casino Lisbona. I was born in Macau. Before the 1997, this colony is governed by a foreign country - Spain. The major source of revenue from Macau is from the casino. Realistically, this place is actually governed by the Chinese mafia gangs. Dr. Stanley Ho ( his websites is drho.com ) is the owner of the casino license and here is the way he operated the casino. There are about five major criminal gangs in Macau and Dr. Ho gave 1 baccarat to each of them to operate becasue Dr. Ho believes that this is the only way to make peace and have all the gangs guard the casino. It worked and the casino had set the pace from there. The profit that each of those gangs get on a daily or weekly basis is astronomical. Those gangs built their wealth so quick and each of them became owners of multi-chain restaurants and others non-criminal business chains.

Using my secret is like owning a baccarat table because we are grasping the profit which the house is suppose to be making. Using my secret is even better becasue we do not have to deal with the underground activities or overhead. Using my secret is like a shareholder of the casino and it is much better because we do not have to pay the dealer, electricity bills, or other overheads.

The examples I shown you earlier is to go 100% to grasp the Net Difference. But you do not have to do so if you do not have the big capital, you can decide to go 10%, 50%, or so. If you have the capital and go 100%, then the house is really in trouble because you are grasping all the profit from the house and the house can only make commision money in the long run.

Now, imagine that if we can hire or form a group of trusted persons and put 1 person in each of the baccarat table in the baccarat pit, then the casino will really be in big trouble.

Now we are copycat of the house, but we can do a lot of things better than the house. For example, sometime when we are happy with the profit then we can stop in the shoe while the real house cannot.
We can also do the mean task which house wants to do but cannot do it itself like in the case of a long banker or player run (every gamblers will be staying on the same side ), we can stop playing after 5 in a row. But actually, as I mentioned, it does not matter in the long run because the gamblers will still lose.
Also sometimes while we are winning in a shoes, then there will be so-called Intruder come in all of a sudden from no where and bet big like or close to the table maximum.
Those Intruder's target is to hit and run and the casino hates them the most becasue they do not stay long. So, when we see the Intruder, we just stop betting that hands or just ignore the Intruder bet.
Of course, we can still take the Intruder bets because in the long run, we are still going to win. Or if we have set up a group and have 1 person on each table in the baccarat pit, then we have no scarce because we will still nail the Intruder in the rest of the table.

The reason behind why this method worked is:

(1) Human beings or gamblers are proned to error.
They are proned to error on making the guess of the next hand and
proned to error on making the guess of the amount on the next bet.
In order for them to win, they have to be correct on the guessing
of both the next hand outcomes and must be right on the amount of
betting. The odd is 1 to 4 to make both correct. The side who is
making the guessing has psychological impact factor and the greed
and fear will make him a big loser.
This is why gamblers always lose in the long run.

(2) Casino Never make the gusessing. It leaves it to the gamblers.
Those who making gusessing is proned to big error all the times and
will lose. As Larry William, one of the greatest commodity trader
coded "God does not want us to know the future. If the future is
known, then life will be miserable for there will not be anyone
working and there is no sense of life in earth" God beautifies
this world with the uncertainty of the future given to us and this
is what make life its exisitng meaning. Nobody can predict the
future and those who try to make prediction for the purpose of
making dishonest money from it will get penalized.

(3) Remember, the maximum we can competing with the casino is to go
100% face to face with the house and force the house to ONLY making
commsion money in the long run ( We can do it all the time in the
mini-baccarat. We need a bigger capital for the Grant baccarat
table).

But if we go beyond the 100%, then we are now becoming the target
of the house and we will lose. My PH.D mathematic friends told me
that there is a solid mathematical induction divergence prove to
that but he told me not to worry about the complexity as long as we
are in the 1-100% range and never go beyond it to screw up our
method.

Mark, you can go to test it out in any shoes in any baccarat table and you will see the result is astronishing. One thing you will quickly see and will convinced ( as me and my friend had admited )is the power of the house -- how it will always win and come out ahead. Even if it is down temporarily, it will quick come back to the winning side and leave all the losers in the dust.

Now since we are copycat of the house, time is a major factor that is working in our favor becasue it generates long time profit for us.

If you play my method, then you have to devote time at the casino just like the house. I suggest that you have partners that can take swift with you because you will get tired after long hours.

As for me, I cannot devoted anytime to play this system now due to
the constraints I am having and the time I need to devote to my sick-borned daughter. You can go ahead and do this, Mark. You can form a
consortium of trused persons and put 1 in each table in the baccarat pit and you are now the boss of the baccarat pit and the cash flow is
guarantee to come and it is all yours. You are taking money on a consistently basis from the casino.

But anyway, this method worked and me and my PH.D mathematic friend
had done real casino shoes simulation on the computer and it shown that it is profitable after 50,000 or 1,000,000 shoes. We even let the computer simulation testing ran for 4 straight days for the 5,000,000 shoes test and the results is still astronishing. The reason is simple - no casino had ever go bankrupted. Since we are the house now, then we own the casino table (like the gangs in Macau) and it is like a cash cow working for you each day and the cold cash that you can tap on is astrononical and non-stop cash flow.

 

[GARNabby]

Actually, casinos do go out of business, especially often in Vegas, where competition is steepest.

Perhaps the "drop and hold" (sometimes) is higher than the "vig" because (most of) the casinos utilize much higher stakes than the other players. A player with a million times the stake of an other isn't really betting at all, right? (Even w/o an edge, they have much more to begin with; all the while utilizing further losers' losses against them. And no casino would take a lump-sum bet from all players all at once.)

Anyways, the idea will never have any merit to begin until someone can and will (non-cryptically) provide the way(s) casinos cheat using the standard ASM-shuffler, card-wash and burn procedures, shoe-device, and deck; beyond boxed-card, etc, disputes. (And asfaras card-manipulation by a "mechanic", it is well known to those in that "profession" that the eye really is quicker than the hand when anyone is watching for that.  There is only a handful of persons in the world who can successfully and repeatedly do it two feet away.

And at the lower limits, bringing in a "ringer", etc, would not be financially feasible for the casinos.

[koreanprideno1]

does anyone actually have any results with this system? not just theories please.

[mane]

Hi
in the text it says
 
  "We called it the Monte Carlo of the Asia. The casino there is named the Casino Lisbona. I was born in Macau. Before the 1997, this colony is governed by a foreign country - Spain."


Dont bother to study anything it says. Anyone born in Macau would know that the foreign country rulling Macau was Portugal, not Spain. This makes no sense.

[GARNabby]

korean,

Ellis Davis bases each and every one of his systems on it. But he's just a broken-down scammer/cult-leader. Not a single millionaire in his camp.

[koreanprideno1]

hehe thanks for the info..

well it seems to me it's not the house edge that beats people.. or they wouldn't be losing so much money.. i read on another post about some spanish people who would watch the tables for losing people and start betting against them.. it sounds interesting to me..

[Nathan Detroit]

mane,

I fully agree with you. Anyone claiming  having been born in Macau  should  KNOW that  this  area  was governed  by Portugal. Even the  name  of the casino " Lisboa " should be  an indication   who was in charge.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!



The name  of the casino is "LISBOA"  not Lisbona as the cat wrote in his  fiction.


Tsi-Nan-Fu

[Natural9]

mane,

I fully agree with you. Anyone claiming  having been born in Macau  should  KNOW that  this  area  was governed  by Portugal. Even the  name  of the casino " Lisboa " should be  an indication   who was in charge.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!



The name  of the casino is "LISBOA"  not Lisbona as the cat wrote in his  fiction.


Tsi-Nan-Fu

Why are we worried about if Macau was ruled by Portugal or Spain it is the jist of the message that interests me basically following the losing money

What i would like to know is if the casino truly wins on its edge or is it the fact that for example all the bets happen to be on banker and a player occurs with the casino paying out nothing

And could we in theory make a strategy out of it How many times have we seens a situation in Baccarat where everyone is following a trend and bang the opposite happens and  everryone loses  their money  in that particular hand

[koreanprideno1]

Why are we worried about if Macau was ruled by Portugal or Spain it is the jist of the message that interests me basically following the losing money

What I would like to know is if the casino truly wins on its edge or is it the fact that for example all the bets happen to be on banker and a player occurs with the casino paying out nothing

And could we in theory make a strategy out of it How many times have we seens a situation in Baccarat where everyone is following a trend and bang the opposite happens and  everryone loses  their money  in that particular hand

i don't know how well you can take advantage of this kind of stuff but the owner of this forum(i think) was talking about some spanish people who look for people who are losing then start betting against what they do.. we also have to remember the times where there's a trend and you bet against it and lose cause the trend keeps going.. but it's interesting topic for me..

[ADulay]

The name  of the casino is "LISBOA"  not Lisbona as the cat wrote in his  fiction. 

I see several have jumped in to correct the casino name.    As I have played a LOT in that casino (when I used to travel to Hong Kong) I thought I was reading it wrong with the incorrect spelling. 

Thanks for clearing that up before I got here!

AD

[ADulay]

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