Interesting point from the Wiz site

[Mike]

You are putting EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY example of past numbers into ONE grouping...."they are all useless".

This is a load of s**t and you know it. Come out from behind the curtain. You will NEVER, EVER, EVER stop me from posting and telling the TRUTH of how AP (cough) is a load of LIES.

Ken

Yes, past numbers are always useless, if that's all you have. Ken, please explain how and why the math is wrong.

Just because you say AP is lies doesn't make it so. For some reason you feel the need to trash something you obviously know nothing about. Give it up Ken, you're just making yourself look a fool.

[RCEC]

@all

Why should past numbers be useless?
Look at this file
It search for a+2 standarddeviation ,that´s a signal to bet this number
it goes about 37*37 Spins
always hit´s more often than it´s lose

[Mr J]

You don`t like the new sound ?  Where is your evidence that im lying ?

I love this, classic!

I need to show evidence that I do 'well' AND I have to show evidence that you dont. Classic AP (cough) logic, always wanting it BOTH ways.

Ken

[Mr J]

Yes, past numbers are always useless, if that's all you have. Ken, please explain how and why the math is wrong.

Just because you say AP is lies doesn't make it so. For some reason you feel the need to trash something you obviously know nothing about. Give it up Ken, you're just making yourself look a fool.

Wrong, in a *FEW* situations, past numbers are useful. We can do this for months if you want to. So I could ask you......what AP (cough) style of game do you play? Can you post the EVIDENCE that you do 'well' playing it?
Thanks buddy.

Ken

[Kelly]

For you, I choose 3 numbers with the fewest hits in the last 200 spins (very cold). We'll flat bet for the next 20 spins, my numbers against your numbers. We'll do this experiment not once but over 100 different sessions. *ANYONE* who says it will come close to balancing out is LYING, plain and simple.

I say it will balance out, so im supposed to be lying. Prove that im lying, after all math and 99% of the worlds population will agree with me without testing anything.  I can test it or Mike can BUT why don`t YOU do something for a change. You are the one with the bold statements.

[Mr J]

You know why you call it a 'bold statement'? Not because its from me, its because its an anti-AP statement, call it like it is. It goes against AP, correct? Are you going to me give me your opinion regarding Roulette Evolution? I asked at least three times.

Ken

[Kelly]

For you it may be a anti ap statement, for the rest of the world its just something that brings a brief smile to the face because of its naivity.

You dont care about my opinion and im not gonna answer any of your questions anymore before you back up just this one silly statement with facts.  I will prove to you after that, that a biased wheel produces an uneven distribution. Something for something right ?

[Mr J]

**People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks**

@winner >> Back it up for AP as well. This 'prove it' thingie is for EVERYONE Kelly/Snowman. Its NOT just for people you feel like choosing. Still waiting for your PROOF that you do 'well' with AP (cough).

You made a SMART MOVE......not giving your opinion on Roulette Evolution. Going 500 numbers back?? WTF?

Ken

[Kelly]

Christ, every time i want you to be specific you run to another corner like a rat and i have to run after you.

You have been winning for 3,5 years so you lay out the records that you expect to see for me to be successfull because i havent got a clue what you expect. Car, house, ? My last buy is a Chevrolet Orlando 2011, but i got 3 more. What do you want ?

You lay out your own records and i will do the same.

If thats too much to ask, just re read my last post and get started, i will do my thing afterwards.

Im surprised you cant figure out my opinion on past numbers in Roulette Evoloution.  Is that really so, hard ?

[bombus]

Roulette Evolution?

I thought it well known that casino's like to offer as much information as possible to the roulette player for the very reason that they believe it is all useless. And so instilling a false sense of confidence by addition.

So the more stuff they give the punter to look at and analyze, the more likely said punter will comfortably lose.

As for hot numbers over the last few dozen spins, I would think they believe the player can work out for themselves what they are, and so instilling a false sense of confidence by omission.

Just my opinion on your question.

[Kelly]

The strategy from the management side has always been to set up as many bear traps as possible. Goes from making the player feeling as comfortable as possible, comps etc, to handing him all the data he wants. German casinos provides a written  permanenz for each table on a  daily basis. And keeps the records for years back that you can get for a small fee if you want.  If it could be done in a nice and handy way they would probably provide the last 3000 numbers on a screen for each table .

Come and play..... kitty kitty........come here and bring your wallet.

[Mr J]

@Bombus >> Thanks for the reply. I agree that a person can simply jot down the last 24-34 numbers on their own and use those but at Roulette Evolution, nobody does!! I watch and talk to these people just to get some kind of insight. For the HOT number bettors, they indeed look at the stats from the last 500 spins which in my OPINION is a waste. Like I said, rarely do you see any of those numbers STILL hitting CURRENTLY.

Why bet on hot numbers from 350-500 spins ago? My point being (I'm not saying I'm right), I think its on PURPOSE, the machine maker giving out stats from so long ago. Why do I think this? The *KEY* *KEY* hot  numbers are from CURRENT outcomes!!!

Lets say you were betting on hot numbers, as an example. Do you care that the 32 hit 6 times in 19 spins FROM 350 spins ago? How the heck does that help me?

Ken

[Kelly]

Im sure that if you told them what you just wrote, they would put a label after spin 30:

Warning these numbers are too old and should not be used as predictors. We have instructed the ball not remember any numbers past spin 30.

[Mr J]

Either one of two choices.

A) You are a liar and play some form of a method.

OR


B) You stick to your guns and foolish remarks. Claiming AP will save the world. (lol) AP is a LIE, pure and simple. I'm sure it was fine back in 1923. If you are WAITING for me to flip out or something, it aint gonna happen.

"Come and play..... kitty kitty........come here and bring your wallet" >>> Thats fine but I leave with a thicker wallet. Can you say the SAME without LYING?

Ken

[Kelly]

I offered to hand everything to you, even THEN you run to another corner. Not much ass in those pants.  I thought a proud american like yourself was not all Danish Pastry.  Im very dissapointed in you.

Its hard to be soft when you were born to be a piece of iron. 

Im done, just don`t say i didn`t give you the opportunity to have everything you asked for,  handed to you. But its not easy when you keep running around like a Duracell rabbit.

I have now wasted 1 hour of my life writing answers to you. Again.  At least i made you show your real colours. 

[Kelly]

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