What roulette layout bet affords the longest negative progression?
Keeping the profits real, none of this betting 1250 units to win 10 units stuff.
I think the Streets will allow for the longest progression while providing respectable profits (unless you lose of course).
My offering is a street progression that goes 54 steps, -1253 units if you lose, increments jump each time expected profit falls below 14% for the next bet.
54 steps on 3 numbers is equal to betting on 162 individual numbers before a loss.
Can anyone show a longer progression than 162 numbers? :scratch_ones_head:
Hi b
Progessions never work.
regards
casino 1
Wendel again?
Progressions can work, actually, but only if the bet selection gives a tangible edge flat betting.
Quote from: casino 1 on September 28, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
Hi b
Progessions never work.
regards
casino 1
Hi c1
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I'm sure that debate will go on until the cows come home.
This thread is just asking for input into which layout bet would be able to prolong a progression the furthest.
I think it is the streets, but maybe someone can show a longer one, with similar profit %.
Long Progressions ????
Come on Ken this is right up your street......
Progessions never work. >>>
Its Wendel AGAIN. How many ID's does he here?
Quote from: Spike on September 28, 2009, 11:02:30 PM
Its Wendel AGAIN. How many ID's does he here?
Casino 1 is gone......
same IP address again, I'm getting him as quick as I can guys...... :blush2:
"My offering is a street progression that goes 54 steps" >>> Mine only goes to step 42 but with comfortable NET wins. A few questions if I may. (I could careless about units, I want the meat and potatoes information) What is the first betting amount? What is the average min. bet where you play at? What is the max. bet (last bet)? What is the max. payout at your casino? The most important question, what are the NET amounts? Are the NETS worth the time you put into it, especially if tracking is involved? For my progression, I have 2 of everything. Meaning, one type of progression if tracking is involved and the other type if NO tracking is involved. Ken
"Come on Ken this is right up your street" >>> No punn intended? Get it? :sarcastic:
Quote from: Mr J on September 28, 2009, 11:29:27 PM
"Come on Ken this is right up your street" >>> No punn intended? Get it? :sarcastic:
Yes Ken it WAS intended !!!!! ;)
you only have to win once with a progression/
Nonsense, some progressions can WORK with a very low hit rate, such as 33% with the labby. there is another progression that will WORK with a hit rate as low as 25%, it is just a matter of how and where the wins and losses cluster.
"you only have to win once with a progression" >>> Not to mention if spins were skipped before the betting started. It gives us that many more "chances". Ken
Were did everbody go it's getting real slow here . The forum even went down.
warman
Hi again Wendel. Haven't you been banned 7 times already?
Quote from: Number Six on September 29, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
Hi again Wendel. Haven't you been banned 7 times already?
You are a cruel man, six!
hahaha!
Sorry, this is not supposed to be a contest. Just an enquiry into how long a layout based progression can go, while maintaining a realistic net gain at any point.
It's no use being impractical about it, like spilling out $2500 to gain $10, that's just stupid. There has to be balance, you know, trade off duration for profit, or profit for duration.
Ideas anyone?
Straight ups, splits, corners, streets, six lines, dozens, ec's.
Which one will keep you in the game the longest?
Here is my example of a $5 minimum/$300 maximum, 54-step street progression... @ Mr j, you should find your answers within it.
Note the green section at the business end is a repeated maximum table limit bet on the streets, with an explosive progression added to the straight up numbers within said street. Dangerously expensive and absolutely fraught with peril, but effectively pushing the street bet progression beyond it's accepted limits, and also possibly beyond any other layout based progression.
The final net gain is still a respectable 14.9%
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi499.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr351%2Fskakus%2Fstreetprogression.jpg&hash=4a8824f8f9c6596917e0a51ebf3ca8fed0499e89)
Very impressive Bombus - thanks for this.
I have a ton of progressions on my other computer, so I'll have to have a look. But off the top of my head, can't say I thought of anything better.
Matty
@Bombus (or anyone) >>> If you could, help me out with the GREEN bets. (48-54). For #54 example, we are betting what on the street AND then what for 3 numbers? So $6,265 is the BR needed for this? What are the RED bets? (43-47) Why are they in red? Not giving you a hard time, just curious bro. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on October 05, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
@Bombus (or anyone) >>> If you could, help me out with the GREEN bets. (48-54). For #54 example, we are betting what on the street AND then what for 3 numbers? So $6,265 is the BR needed for this? What are the RED bets? (43-47) Why are they in red? Not giving you a hard time, just curious bro. Ken
The green section is a $300 table limit bet on the streets, with a new progression added to each number in the betted street @-10-20-35-50-65-80-100.
Total outlay on a $5 minimum table is $6265.... scary stuff!
The red section is red because I don't like to go there, and when I play the street strategy that goes with this progression, I sometimes only take $1850 and stop if it goes beyond step 42... I think it's a bit of a sweet spot, and might out perform the full extention in the long term... testing (playing) continues.
I like comparing MINE to other progressions, pros and cons. My progression goes to 42 steps and will cost $3,020 if I lose. My first bet starts at $10 just in case the house min. jumps. My NET wins are very nice, no net is under $50. To each their own. Ken :diablo:
@Bombus >> So your casino with a $5 min., has just under 7K inside bet payouts? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on October 05, 2009, 11:24:11 PM
@Bombus >> So your casino with a $5 min., has just under 7K inside bet payouts? Ken
Yes.
$300 max on the street @ 11/1 = $3300 plus your $300 back = $3600
$100 max on the straight up @ 35/1 =$3500 plus your $100 back = $3600
Total payout = $6800 plus your $400 back = $7200
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If you were really cashed up, you could push it one more spin and add in the splits. That would cost another $1000 for one last spin!
The total outlay would be $7265.
The payout would be $10200 plus your $800 back = $11000
And if the middle number of your street came up then the payout would be $13600 plus your $1000 back = $14600!
A profit of $7335... wouldn't that be sweet!