and your efforts (and mine) to beat roulette have been a collosal waste of time. I challenge anyone to show me proof that anyone anywhere is beating roulette on a consistent, extended basis.
You will be the first I tell if I find the Holy Grail..
Quote from: Fripper on June 11, 2010, 05:41:33 PM
You will be the first I tell if I find the Holy Grail..
good. thanks. appreciate it. need it. but won't hold my breath...
No problem, good to hear. I wouldn't either, if you don't are very "trained".
This SIMON cat lives within reality. Casino gaming is just a branch of the entertainment industry.Who thinks otherwise is a darn fool. :diablo:
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: simon on June 11, 2010, 05:10:07 PM
and your efforts to beat roulette have been a collosal waste of time. I challenge anyone to show me proof that anyone anywhere is beating roulette on a consistent, extended basis.
You are asking for the moon, Simon. How on earth can anyone show you that he/she is winning in a consistent, extended basis? Doing what? Showing what?
Im curious about it. Maybe there is a way i'm not able to see how it could be done?
Maybe beating 20 sessions of 30 spins in a row without a single one in negative?
Maybe beating them starting from the last number and redoing the session this way?
If this were the circunstances maybe it could be done. Just a guess ;)
there are winning systems but the profit is so small its not worth while;
If the profits seem to be small with a WINNING system then BRING MORE MONEY to increase the bets. :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPYWINNINGS!!!
Quote from: pins on June 12, 2010, 12:45:45 AM
there are winning systems but the profit is so small its not worth while;
............. any system that can achieve on average only one unit (or more) or even a fraction of a unit (or more) per session is a great system. I have tested about 200 systems and have not seen such a system.
<there are winning systems but the profit is so small its not worth while;>
Pins with this statement it seems very clear that U have no idea about Roulette!
the 2 members that posted after U are correct.
show me a system that makes one or more units per session on average and I will camp out at the casino and play it like a full time job. and I have no worries that I will be banned from the casino, I do not believe anyone has ever been banned from playing roulette, unless they were cheating in some way.
"BRING MORE MONEY to increase the bets" >>> Very true Nate, this is something that took me a while to FIGURE OUT. I'll even use FLAT betting as an example......Lets say my NET win goal is $400 and I'm playing 'whatever' method. You are *NOT* going to achieve that goal playing with dollar chips, on 16 numbers and your BR is $300. lol Ken
you can run a progression on a one dollar table but you would be over the table limits on a five dollar table. on a visit to the casino how much do you have to win to make it worth your while. i put a system on this board that i have never seen lose. play it with hundred dollar chips and you shoul win a thousand a visit, but how would i know.
there is a guy on You Tube who has several videos demonstrating his ability with remote viewing and roulette. He is not selling anything and I have watched them carefully and I don't think there is anything fake about them. I don't think I can do it and he is either very good at it or incredibly lucky (he will bet the number he "sees" plus three numbers either side, up to five times, and seems to be able to win this way within a couple of spins several times in a row.) In one video I think he is smoking dope (maybe it helps.) (in another video he seems to be wearing a hospital bracelet so maybe he went insane spinning his toy roulette wheel and is locked up somewhere.-- but then, they wouldn't let him smoke in a hospital, would they?) whatever, I think it's real and he is very good at it or very lucky and maybe some people have the ability to do this or it can be learned (I wish, I'll try.) check it out (search "remote viewing and roulette"). I think this is the only "system" that can beat roulette.
So this guy can see the next spin in his mind, yet still doesn't have the money to buy a real roulette wheel instead of that cheap plastic mini-wheel?
Just a thought.
I belive that such ppl really exist.
Maybe this man on this video is for real or he is a lier.
But for a person to be able to visualise the winning numbers must have a gift from birth and also develop it will trainning.
But If someone doesn t have it from birth he can t develope this skill.
"Remote viewing" is seeing an occurrence as it happens from a different place. If you could see me typing this sentence, you would be doing just that.
What this fellow claims is called "precognition" or knowing the future before it happens.
Something like that..............
Sam
I did see you type it. and I saw your cat too.
Aw, geez..........
And I was buck naked!!
it was not a pretty sight....
having tried and given up on every system ever published, I am resorting to psychic prediction. watching an animated roulette wheel on my computer, I am doing what the guy in the vids did, picking a number that comes into my mind and betting that number and 3 numbers to the left and right of it for a few spins. I don't know why but I have been doing well that way so far. probably just luck.
Dear Simon
Where can I find this """animated roulette wheel """???
this is the one I was using:
nolinks ://roulettedoc.com/roulette-game.htm
(take out the space after p)
I could use an American one though since that's where I am. I am sure there are many around, I just googled "roulette game" and found that one. I'm sure if you google "animated roulette game" or something like that you'll find one. On the game above I just put a chip anywhere on the board and keep hitting rebet and spin and keep my own stats, I look at the number where the ball lands and the 3 numbers to the left and right of it and write -7 everytime I lose, and +29 every time I win.
Have you ever tried Steve Morgans approach, he wins consistantly :swoon:
No, he doesn't. And wasn't he a system seller?
Quote from: Jish on June 14, 2010, 11:26:24 AM
Have you ever tried Steve Morgans approach, he wins consistantly :swoon:
............ yes I have his BS juvenile been there done that useless newbie systems.
I have won every session-- about 5 or so-- of betting about 20 spins in a row with "psychic prediction." maybe I am psychic-- let's hope so. I am just leaving one chip on black continually so the computer wheel won't be influenced by my number picks. ofcourse this won't work at the casino but you gotta believe it and go with it... guess I am going off the deep end... guess that's what happens when you spend too much time with the devil's wheel... or you end up frothing at the mouth and ranting and raving like a certain madman who shall remain nameless...
since it was mentioned, here is Steve Morgan's system which he claims to travel the world playing. have at it...
Quote from: simon on June 11, 2010, 05:10:07 PM
and your efforts (and mine) to beat roulette have been a collosal waste of time. I challenge anyone to show me proof that anyone anywhere is beating roulette on a consistent, extended basis.
I accept the challenge--but under which rule.
Quote from: medo on June 15, 2010, 02:44:33 PM
I accept the challenge--but under which rule.
........... you tell me
The only acceptable conditions would be past spins from either Hamburg or Wiesbaden
and only from the same table.As many as you wish.I accept any kind of reasonable offer,
and conditions are that method will win more then it loses.
past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering"?
does your method involve increasing bets on a loss? if so, than I already know your system will fail. If you think you can beat the wheel with flat bets, than I can arrange a fair way to feed you spins you've never seen, as many as you want at a tme from real wheels. especially if you are willing to take on a double zeroe wheel.
yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands.>>>
If you were in one room and I was in another with a roulette wheel, and I was giving you the results as I spin, you wouldn't know if I was really doing that or using past spins from 10 years ago. You're betting or your results would not change in the least.
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Quote from: simon on June 15, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering"?
does your method involve increasing bets on a loss? if so, than I already know your system will fail. If you think you can beat the wheel with flat bets, than I can arrange a fair way to feed you spins you've never seen, as many as you want at a tme from real wheels. especially if you are willing to take on a double zeroe wheel.
Only single zero wheel,and there is slight increase when need//not any of so far known progressions/---furthermore guarantee at least 9 units profit per 100 spins approximately.Even thought the bet is E/C,the wheel doesn't have to be Lap.BTW-it can be any future spins.
my spin data is from double zeroe wheels. unfortunately that is what I have to contend with, which is I guess why I am so frustrated with systems, nothing seems to be able to beat a double zeroe wheel. my idea was that I could send the whole spreadsheet of spins to someone else here I trust not to give them to you, so you know I nothing was changed while you "played", and I suppose we could even remove either the 0's or 00's, and then give you spins one at a time or however many you want to get, and you could say what the next bet will be, etc. but I guess that would be a tedious process.
past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering"?>>
So you can tell the difference between spins that are 10 years old and spins from a wheel that came 2 seconds ago?
How?
Spike I have no idea what you are trying to say. I am the one with the spins that I personally recorded at the casino that I want to see someone's system beat (for starters, anyway.)
Spike I have no idea what you are trying to say.<<
Medo said:
"The only acceptable conditions would be past spins from either Hamburg or Wiesbaden
and only from the same table."
To which you replied:
"past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering"
Implying that past spins are somehow diffrent than present spins. But I see you removed that post. Why did you do that?
I didn't remove any posts, look up. If you don't know what I mean about using past spins-- meaning spins we can already see what the outcomes were-- versus spins you haven't seen, for showing someone else that your system works, then I can't explain it further.
The post where I got your quote of "past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering" has been removed and you switched it with another one. Where did I get the quote from if you never posted it?
You removed your original post and inserted the quote and a new post in its place. Did you think I wouldn't notice?
I do not know what the hell you're talking about.
This is a quote from a post you made: "past spins? I don't think so. yes it certainly would be nice if we could bet after the ball lands. can you say "reverse engineering"
The original post that I GOT THE QUOTE FROM is gone. It vanished. Where did it go??????????
it is Reply 31 in this thread
Reply #31 is not the original post. You erased the original post you made, used my quote from it to lead off the revision, and changed it. I know, I was there, I read your original post minutes after you made it, and quoted from it. You can't erase the quote, oh well.
you are totally incorrect but I am not going to try and convince you of that, it is not worth discussing and not the least bit significant to the topic of the thread, or to anything at all.
anyway medo I guess you must be able to make a thousand dollars every couple of hours-- betting $100 chips-- since you can always make 9 units profit per 100 spins. hmmm, not bad, Bill Gates got nothing on you.
you are totally incorrect>>
LOL!! Are you insane? I was there, its was YOUR post, it disappeared and now you say it never existed????
OK, whatever, way to man up, Simon.
Quote from: simon on June 15, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
my spin data is from double zeroe wheels. unfortunately that is what I have to contend with, which is I guess why I am so frustrated with systems, nothing seems to be able to beat a double zeroe wheel. my idea was that I could send the whole spreadsheet of spins to someone else here I trust not to give them to you, so you know I nothing was changed while you "played", and I suppose we could even remove either the 0's or 00's, and then give you spins one at a time or however many you want to get, and you could say what the next bet will be, etc. but I guess that would be a tedious process.
Double zero wheel is strange to me,never played it nor do I know the wheel lay out of it.
Almost 6% house edge is impossible to beat on the long run,and I always wonder why you ppl. from
the states are playing it,when there is a lot of single zeros in reputables casinos,even with lapartage rules
Thats probably why your tries to create a winning methods always sunk cause of these unfair conditions.
Maybe you should,in future concetrate your mind/creating methods/on single zero wheel.
You are right,it would be a tedious process.Since I will be at LV-hotel-casino,Stratosphere from 29-12 to 05-01
2011,come and have a look/as I have simplified this method so much,that don't even need a spreadsheet to play it,and mind you on all 3 E/C simultaneously/It has nothing to do with Spikes educated guessing or Gizmos reading of randomness,but pure maths and Educated Stakings and chip managment.Thats all.
Go get 'em Medo!
(I agree)...stick to single zero wheels, mate.
Quote from: bombus on June 16, 2010, 05:51:03 AM
Go get 'em Medo!
(I agree)...stick to single zero wheels, mate.
I kind of feel that they/Amers/play it cause its theirs-original-and as such should be the best,
as all other products they invented in the past,and I also kind of like such attitude,but man when they/casinos/
actually robs you...give up.
there is only one good thing about a double zeroe wheel and that is for target shooters, as large chunks of the wheel can be covered by betting the columns. if anyone really had a handle on vb methodologies, they should be able to beat a double zeroe wheel and all they would have to do is be accurate enough to predict a nearly two thirds chunk of the wheel that the ball will land in because of the blocks of contiguous numbers that the columns make up, when played together. basically all they would have to do is bet if the ball will land in the A/C chunk of the wheel, or not, which is a block of numbers that cover almost three quarters of the wheel--with the exception of just a couple of numbers (have the complete works of the experts who are supposed to be able to do this/tried it/been there/done that/eyes not good enough/couldn't do it.)
The only good things about American wheels is that it's a bit more "symmetric", a bit easier to visually memorize. It's also more possible to disguise your sector-betting using outside bets (dozens/columns/streets/corners) to reduce heat when playing VB.
I'd still go with a European wheel though.
Quote from: Noble Savage on June 16, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
The only good things about American wheels is that it's a bit more "symmetric", a bit easier to visually memorize. It's also more possible to disguise your sector-betting using outside bets (dozens/columns/streets/corners) to reduce heat when playing VB.
I'd still go with a European wheel though.
good God you still think you have to DISGUISE what you are doing?!? is anyone here an experienced player or what? what are you a professional that the casinos have to be WORRIED about because you make so much money from them you will put them out of business? please come to my casino, you will not have to disguise anything, and I promise you they will not kick you out, or, maybe you'd like to sit there disguising what you are doing, and I promise you they will laugh at you on your way out. and if you win some money, I promise you they will give it to you with pleasure and invite you to come back, no matter what your methods are (short of using a hidden computer.)
Great, another Gizmotron. ;D
Quote from: simon on June 16, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
what are you a professional that the casinos have to be WORRIED about because you make so much money from them you will put them out of business?
Point out where I said I was pro or even semi-pro. ???
Quote from: simon on June 16, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
good God you still think you have to DISGUISE what you are doing?
I play VB (or I don't play at all). When you play VB it's always a good idea to make it look like you're not a VB player but a typical system player instead. I won't go into detail as it's not worth the time spent talking about the art of VB with some angry internet noob like yourself.
Quote from: simon on June 16, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
is anyone here an experienced player or what?
No, far from it. It's just that you are so angry and insecure about your failure that you project it on everyone else.
I just shared a simple opinion of what I think is good about American wheels (from a personal point of view), and you went all worked up thinking I'm claiming to be some professional and making millions while you're not! ;D
Get a job mate.
to reduce heat when playing VB.>>
LOL, that is pretty funny. Hey NS, do the suits follow you out to the parking lot and get your licence number after they catch you playing VB? Are you a danger to the casinos bottom line? :lol:
Quote from: Spike! on June 16, 2010, 05:09:30 PM
LOL, that is pretty funny. Hey NS, do the suits follow you out to the parking lot and get your licence number after they catch you playing VB? Are you a danger to the casinos bottom line? :lol:
Certainly more dangerous than that old gambling addict sitting at the table every night spending his retirement paycheck betting on Red/Black. ;D
Its a situation you would never find yourself in spike. They would have to take the license number from the local Grey Hound bus.
Its a situation you would never find yourself in spike.>>
You're right. By the time the casino realizes I'm there, I'm already gone...
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Yes Spike,
In a casino a REAL pro always has one foot pointed towards the door. :thumbsup:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
REAL pro always has one foot pointed towards the door.>>
Not VB players. They set up a campsite, eat their meals at the table, and sleep in between spins. But they are the only 'true' advantage players, winning those half a dozen units every 12 hours is what they live for...
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oh NS you are so busted now, there is an alert circulating throughout all the casinos, look for this guy who looks like he is playing some kind of system on the dozens, streets, corners, but what he is really doing is clocking the wheel with his naked eye... I'm sure they will be looking hard for you so you better keep up with your well-disguised system playing, making it look like you are playing one system while you are actually playing another, wow that is a cool trick and one the casinos won't take lightly I'm sure once they find out....
you know I have an extremely rare manuscript self-published by a mechanical engineer on how to clock the wheel using a stop-watch which I had on my wrist watch which I did in full view of every eye in the sky above me for a while till I gave up on trying to make it work because the dealers were throwing too fast and my vision wasn't sharp enough for it to work. my point is you MUST come to the states and do your vb magic here, because as mentioned the American wheels are ideal for target shooting betting only two columns, and you will NOT have to go through all this business of disguising what system you are playing... the casino I go to makes a million dollars a day and they are not concerned that you will make the slightest dent in their profits at the roulette tables and they are happy to see somebody win..
You're right, VB doesn't work and casinos do nothing to prevent VB play.
Happy now? ::)
Moving on.
and you will NOT have to go through all this business of disguising what system you are playing.>>
He not only disguises his play, he wears disguises. His favorite is the trenchcoat and fake mustache. Fools them every time.. Below is NS last weekend where he played for 14 hours and won 7 units.
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VB players are rare but some of the really big dents in the casinos accounts has been done by VB and bias players. Its not just hear say, ask around at the right places. Steve Forte describes in his casino protection books how VB is done and how its spotted. The mint, is going undetected which means keeping the bets not higher than 30 - 40 Euro per number, but some of the oldies have to make a show of it and bets 100 - 200 pr number and after 1/2 hour they are spotted and NMB be called after 3 - 4 secs. Kaisan took off 600.000 at our local casino, and on the second day they checked his shoes at the reception because he was caught a couple of years before that in one of the Casino Austria chain casinos, with a stop watch in his shoes
I can see you guys being on a crusade, you might wanna leave the screens sometimes and go out more.
VB players are rare but some of the really big dents in the casinos accounts has been done by VB and bias players. <<
Yeah, pre 2007. Even Laurance on GG said a few months ago that it seems the effort you have to put in to win on the modern wheels is almost not worth the effort. You guys are still in the 80's and 90's when the wheels were easily beatable and everywhere.
There are plenty of VB players around, even Kaisan has started out again last year after taking a break. He is in profit. But i can hear the campaign works great. You are doing a great job and VB players around the globe thank you guys. Of course VB doesn`t work, spread the word.
Of course VB doesn`t work, spread the word.>>
LOL! Yeah, the casinos are reading this because they aresn't sure if it really works or not. I wish I had bookmarked a really long article I read last week on the evolution of the roulette wheel. They said the new wheels are almost impossibe to beat with VB, and they are getting better at building them all the time. Huxley makes 95% of the roulette wheels in the world and they say they are 100% committed to making wheels that are impossible to get an edge on.
But you're right Kelly, shhhh, nobody in the casino business knows anything about what you guys do.
Quote from: Spike! on June 17, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
Yeah, pre 2007. Even Laurance on GG said a few months ago that it seems the effort you have to put in to win on the modern wheels is almost not worth the effort. You guys are still in the 80's and 90's when the wheels were easily beatable and everywhere.
I'm 22 (yes, a kid to you) and modern wheels are all I've known.
You're right though, VB is dead. Keep spreading the word.
They know what we are doing but Huxley has done a great job, as a part of their sales campaign to the casinos, in convincing them that the new wheel types can`t be beat. And its true, they can be set up level with the right ball/wheel combo so that you get an almost unbeatable situation. But does the casino maintains these setups after they received the wheels ? An average bouncelenght of 26 pockets looks absoloutely random to most people, also casino personel, but not nessecaryly to the VB player.
Its a bit funny that you guys think that because they purchase an unbeatable piece of equipment, they also keep it that way. I can tell you they don`t.
Its a bit funny that you guys think that because they purchase an unbeatable piece of equipment, they also keep it that way. >>>
Thats not whats funny. Whats funny is you and Snowman an a few others are stuck in the past. There are still VB players, but they are pathetic compared to 10 years ago. Casinos are well aware of them, but don't consider them real threats. They're more like knats circling your head that you bat away distractedly. Your glory days are long gone and you just can't get over it.
>>You're right though, VB is dead. Keep spreading the word.>>
Its not dead, its not undead. Its nobody cares dead.. Its loser deluxe desperation dead. Yawn.
Here are some typical VB players:
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Its obvious that you haven`t really met any VB players. Not even a wannabee. We actually know more about the new wheels than the casino does. I got an old school mate sitting in a casino surveillance room, who confirms it.
Dear Simon and other fellow members,
I do not think that every system crashes and burns. Actually, you have seen systems which talks of a method to win which seems lucrative and winning one but at last gave you a loss. Buddy, I am a system tester and have tested more than 100 methods/systems of roulette so far. The reason for loss is overtrust in the system that it will always win, which is impossible. Nobody talks of stop loss and loss recovery, bankroll management, when to quit etc. All mathematical systems bust because of casino edge or the purely random nature of the game which makes it impossible to exactly predict what number will come next. Even if you bet on 35 numbers continuously to gain 1 unit , sooner or later your left two numbers will appear and take away all that you won so far+ part of your own bankroll. If you play even money bets, at max that you can expect is 1 unit risking many units again like if we use martingale we use 1+2+4+8=15 units to gain 1 and if it failed once we will lose winning of 15 times.
But there are some methods which can give you slow but steady income. I have some methods which can win more and lose less for sure and if you do not trust I am ready for any challenge of RNG or live casino. I have already faced one challenge of Noble Savage and emerged victor. you can see that thread in 100 spin challenge. I had a bankroll of 1000 and I kept on winning till last. The challenge ended prematurely though. You can keep winning if you have good strategy, patience, bankroll and you are not too greedy.
Quote from: albalaha on June 17, 2010, 02:23:18 AMthere are some methods which can give you slow but steady income. I have some methods which can win more and lose less for sure.
........ care to tell us which systems those are, or is that top-secret?