every system crashes and burns

[simon]

oh NS you are so busted now, there is an alert circulating throughout all the casinos, look for this guy who looks like he is playing some kind of system on the dozens, streets, corners, but what he is really doing is clocking the wheel with his naked eye... I'm sure they will be looking hard for you so you better keep up with your well-disguised system playing, making it look like you are playing one system while you are actually playing another, wow that is a cool trick and one the casinos won't take lightly I'm sure once they find out....   

you know I have an extremely rare manuscript self-published by a mechanical engineer on how to clock the wheel using a stop-watch which I had on my wrist watch which I did in full view of every eye in the sky above me for a while till I gave up on trying to make it work because the dealers were throwing too fast and my vision wasn't sharp enough for it to work.  my point is you MUST come to the states and do your vb magic here, because as mentioned the American wheels are ideal for target shooting betting only two columns, and you will NOT have to go through all this business of disguising what system you are playing... the casino I go to makes a million dollars a day and they are not concerned that you will make the slightest dent in their profits at the roulette tables and they are happy to see somebody win..

[Noble Savage]

You're right, VB doesn't work and casinos do nothing to prevent VB play.

Happy now?

Moving on.

[Spike!]

and you will NOT have to go through all this business of disguising what system you are playing.>>

He not only disguises his play, he wears disguises. His favorite is the trenchcoat and fake mustache. Fools them every time.. Below is NS last weekend where he played for 14 hours and won 7 units.

[Kelly]

VB players are rare but some of the really big dents in the casinos accounts has been done by VB and bias players.  Its not just hear say, ask around at the right places. Steve Forte describes in his casino protection books how VB is done and how its spotted.  The mint, is going undetected which means keeping the bets not higher than 30 - 40 Euro per number, but some of the oldies have to make a show of it and bets 100 - 200  pr number and after 1/2 hour they are spotted and NMB be called after 3 - 4 secs. Kaisan took off 600.000 at our local casino, and on the second day they checked his shoes at the reception because he was caught a couple of years before that in one of the Casino Austria chain casinos,  with a stop watch in his shoes

I can see you guys being on a crusade, you might wanna leave the screens sometimes and go out more.

[Spike!]

VB players are rare but some of the really big dents in the casinos accounts has been done by VB and bias players. <<

Yeah, pre 2007. Even Laurance on GG said a few months ago that it seems the effort you have to put in to win on the modern wheels is almost not worth the effort. You guys are still in the 80's and 90's when the wheels were easily beatable and everywhere.

[Kelly]

There are plenty of VB players around, even Kaisan has started out again last year after taking a break. He is in profit.  But i can hear the campaign works great.  You are doing a great job and VB players around the globe thank you guys. Of course VB doesn`t work, spread the word.

[Spike!]

Of course VB doesn`t work, spread the word.>>

LOL! Yeah, the casinos are reading this because they aresn't sure if it really works or not. I wish I had bookmarked a really long article I read last week on the evolution of the roulette wheel. They said the new wheels are almost impossibe to beat with VB, and they are getting better at building them all the time. Huxley makes 95% of the roulette wheels in the world and they say they are 100% committed to making wheels that are impossible to get an edge on.

But you're right Kelly, shhhh, nobody in the casino business knows anything about what you guys do.

[Noble Savage]

Yeah, pre 2007. Even Laurance on GG said a few months ago that it seems the effort you have to put in to win on the modern wheels is almost not worth the effort. You guys are still in the 80's and 90's when the wheels were easily beatable and everywhere.

I'm 22 (yes, a kid to you) and modern wheels are all I've known.

You're right though, VB is dead. Keep spreading the word.

[Kelly]

They know what we are doing but Huxley has done a great job, as a part of their sales campaign to the casinos, in convincing them that the new wheel types can`t be beat. And its true, they can be set up level with the right ball/wheel combo  so that you get an almost unbeatable situation.  But does the casino maintains these setups after they received the wheels ? An average bouncelenght of 26 pockets looks absoloutely random to most people, also casino personel, but not nessecaryly to the VB player.


Its a bit funny that you guys think that because they purchase an unbeatable piece of equipment, they also keep it that way.  I can tell you they don`t. 

[Spike!]

Its a bit funny that you guys think that because they purchase an unbeatable piece of equipment, they also keep it that way. >>>

Thats not whats funny. Whats funny is you and Snowman an a few others are stuck in the past. There are still VB players, but they are pathetic compared to 10 years ago. Casinos are well aware of them, but don't consider them real threats. They're more like knats circling your head that you bat away distractedly. Your glory days are long gone and you just can't get over it.


>>You're right though, VB is dead. Keep spreading the word.>>

Its not dead, its not undead. Its nobody cares dead.. Its loser deluxe desperation dead. Yawn.

Here are some typical VB players:

[Kelly]

Its obvious that you haven`t really met any VB players.  Not even a wannabee.  We actually know more about the new wheels than the casino does.  I got an old school mate sitting in a casino surveillance room, who confirms it.

[albalaha]

Dear Simon and other fellow members,
             I do not think that every system crashes and burns. Actually, you have seen systems which talks of a method to win which seems lucrative and winning one but at last gave you a loss. Buddy, I am a system tester and have tested more than 100 methods/systems of roulette so far. The reason for loss is overtrust in the system that it will always win, which is impossible. Nobody talks of stop loss and loss recovery, bankroll management, when to quit etc. All mathematical systems bust because of casino edge or the purely random nature of the game which makes it impossible to exactly predict what number will come next. Even if you bet on 35 numbers continuously to gain 1 unit , sooner or later your left two numbers will appear and take away all that you won so far+ part of your own bankroll. If you play even money bets, at max that you can expect is 1 unit risking many units again like if we use martingale we use 1+2+4+8=15 units to gain 1 and if it failed once we will lose winning of 15 times.
                                                But there are some methods which can give you slow but steady income. I have some methods which can win more and lose less for sure and if you do not trust I am ready for any challenge of RNG or live casino. I have already faced one challenge of Noble Savage and emerged victor. you can see that thread in 100 spin challenge. I had a bankroll of 1000 and I kept on winning till last. The challenge ended prematurely though.  You can keep winning if you have good strategy, patience, bankroll and you are not too greedy.

[simon]

there are some methods which can give you slow but steady income. I have some methods which can win more and lose less for sure.

........ care to tell us which systems those are, or is that top-secret?

[simon]

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