Testing Clothdog's Key Number System

[bloomone2002]

Natural9, the first post is the entire system, reply 7 also has some information about repeater, but CD is the author, if you read his post reply to me in this thread, he has made some modifications which is updated from the first post. Also, reply 6 gives a very updated example of how to apply an entire session with the system and its modifications. Hope that helps

[Clothdog]

Bloomone
Sorry, but I'm not posting anything regarding my own updates to the system. I've stated that before in previous posts.I also believe I mentioned that to you in a PM. Anyways, it's a combination of a number of factors which I put together and it involves observation. Too much explanation followed by too many questions which I don't have the time to answer. You have enough here to play with.
cd

[bloomone2002]

Ok, thanks for your help CD.

[Natural9]

thanks Bloom

In your opinion which one performs better or are they much the same

[bloomone2002]

Natural9, did you read my posts on both threads. I wasnt havent much success. Now that CD has provided me with more information for the key number system i will test it. I suggest if you are interested to do the same its the only way to find out what works for you. As to the CD root system, personally I need some assistance with that one also otherwise, It's on hold for me right now.

[bloomone2002]

Hello Everyone, I've applied CD's latest instructions to the session below, but my result is negative units, the sessions has a few more spins from the live database, I can add, but i stopped for now to post what i have so far: This is for the CD 13# key number system Please, Let me know if or where I could have improved this session.
Session 3, table 8 4/4/08, progression 1-1-2-2-3, (5 step) stopWin=100u goal

1,      19
2,      25
3,      16
4,      16      repeater 16, play group 4
5,      10      L-13
6      7      L-13= -26
7,      10      L-26=-52, repeater 10, play group 10
8,      0      L-13= -65u
9,      6      w 23= -42u
10,      30      play 6-30
11,      29      w23=-19u
12,      28
13,      1
14,      16      play 16-28
15,      26      L-13=-32u
16,      25      L-13=-45u
17,      13      L-26=-71u, play 13-25
18,      11      L-13= -84u, hit group 4
19,      6      L-13= -97u
20,      6      L-26= -123u, repeater 6, play group 6
21,      22      w 23=-100u
22,      1
23,      29
24,      30
25,      21
26,      20
27,      31
28,      19      play 19-31
29,      24      L -13= -113u
30,       26      w 23= -90u
31,      35
32,      13
33,      6
34,      31
35,      2
36,      20
37,      30      play group 6-30
38,      3      L-13=-103
39,      4      w 23=-80u
40,      3      repeater 3, play group 3
41,      15      w 23= -57u, play it again from the repeater and key#
42,      29      w23= -34u, play it again till it loses or a new group
43,      35      w23=-11u, play again
44,      14      L13=-24u, wait for next signal
45,      29      repeater 29, play group 5
46,      27      L-13=-37u
47,      19      L-13=-50u
48,      17      w 46= -4u
49,      33
50,      27
51,      5      play 5-17
52,      19      L-13=-17u
53,      28      L-13=-30
54,      23      L-26=-56
55,      33      w 46=-10u
56,      12
57,      1
58,      5
59,      28
60,      10
61,      20
62,      7
63,      10      repeater 10, play group 10
64,      11      L-13= -23
65,      3      L-13= -36
66,      36      w 46= 10u (good stopwin if tire of grind)
67,      12      play 12-36
68,      23      L-13= -3u, play 11-23
69      1      L-13=-16u
70,      2      L-26=-42u, 12-36 hit
71,      3      w 46= 4u
72,      23
73,      11      play 11-23
74,      26      L-13= -9
75,      20      L-13= -22
76      0      L-26=-48
77,      26,      L-26=-74u, repeater 26, play group 2
78,      10      w 26=-48
79,      13
80,      0,      repeater 0, play group 12
81,      13      L-13=-61, repeater 13, play group 1
82,      33      L-13= -74
83,      13      w26= -48, repeater again, continue with group 1
84,      22      L-13= -61, wait for next signal
85,      25      play 13-25
86,      28      L-13= -74
87,      29      w 26= -48
88,      11      
89,      14
90,      3
91,      20
92,      34
93,      2      play 2-14
94,      16      L-13= -61
95,      25      L-13= -74
96,      3      L-26= -100u
97,      29      L-26= -126u
98,      26      w 69= -57u
99,      11
100,      6
101,      30      play 6-30
102,      36      L -13=-70u
103,      4      w26=      -44u, key# hit, play group again
104,      16      w23= -21u, play 4-16
105,      11      w23= 2u
106,      23      play 11-23
107      17      L -13= -11
108,      7      w23= 12u (highest +unit in session)
109,      22
110,      7      repeater 7, play group 7
111,      15      w23= 25u
112,      21
113,      26
114,      13
115,      15      repeater 15, play group 3
116,      22      w23= 48u
117,      16
118,      29
119,      18
120,      1
121,      6      play 6-18
122,      28      L-13=35
123,      32      L-13=22
124,      14      w 46=68u
125,      23
126,      35      play 23-35
127,      5      L-13=55u
128,      10      L-13=42u
129,      29      L-26=18u, play 5-29
130,      4,      L-13, 5u, 23-35 hit
131      7,      L-13, -8u
132      11,      L-26= -34u
133      6      L-26= -60u
134      8      L-39= -99u (lost progression), wait
135      2
136      25      
137      29      
138      7
139      29      repeater 29, play group 5
140      0      L-13= -112
141      6      L-13=-125
142      15      L-26= -151
143      29      w 46=      -105, repeater 29, wait for next signal
144      7
145      0
146      34
147      26
148      27
149      27      repeater 27, play group 3
150      0      L-13 = -118
151      20      L-13= -131
152      28      L-26= -157
153      24      L-26= -181, play group 0-24
154      17      L-13=-194
155      24      w23= -171
156      20
157      35      
158      21      
159      4
160      26
161      16      play 4-16
162      19      L-13= -184
163      22      L-13=-197
164      27      L-26=-223
165      0      L-26=-249
166      30      W69= -180
167      3      PLAY       3-27
168      36      L-13=-193, play 0-36
169      35      w23=-170
170      8      
171      35      repeater 35, play group 11
172      20      L-13= -183, play 8-20
173      36      w23=-160
174      6      
175      12      play 12-36
176      5      L-13=-173
177      3      L-13= -186
178      10      L-26= -212
179      29      L-26= -238, group 5-29 qualifies, but last progression
180      19      w69= -169, play 5-29
181      18      L-13= -182
182      2      L-13= -195
183      24      w46= -149
184      0      play 0-24
185      15      L-13= -162
186      33      L-13= -175
187      7      L-26= -201
188      22      L-26= -227
189      28      w69= -158
190      2
191      19      play 7-19
192      20      L-13= -171
193      19      w23= -148, key# is a repeater, continue
194      3      w23= -125, continue til loss
195      14      w23= -102, continue
196      5      L-13= -115, wait
197      32      
198      24      
199      0      play 0-24
200      28      w23= -92
201      2
202      24      play 0-24 again
203      20      w23= -69
204      30      
205      27
206      36      play 24-36
207      26      L-13= -82
208      34      L-13= -95
209      30      L-23= -118
210      14      L-23=      -141, play 14-26
211      13      L-13= - 154
212      14      W23= -131, continue
213      2      W23= -108, continue
214      33      W23=      -85, continue
215      6      w23= -62, continue
216      35      L-13= -75, wait
217      8      
218      11      play 11-35
219      34      L-13= -88
220      9      L-13= -101
221      33      L-26= -127, play 9-33
222      16      L-13= -140
223      13      w23= -117, 11-35 HIT ALSO

[bloomone2002]

Well, I tried changing the progression on this last session to 1-1-2-3-4, this improved the session only slightly. The only other thing I can think of is to lower the stopwin goal to +50 units, because i did reach 56 units at spin 116 and 76 units at spin 124. This is ok, if it stays consistent. It just appears that CD, has much better success at this than I am having. Anyway, maybe its all about the board and this is as good as it gets, until you factor of the board changes which get better as you become more knowledgeable about the board changes. I will try this session with #6 key numbers group.

Session 3b, table 8 4/4/08, 13#, progression 1-1-2-3-4, (5 step) stopWin=100u so maybe this is an unrealistic goal with the way it is being played here consistently.

1,      19
2,      25
3,      16
4,      16      repeater 16, play group 4
5,      10      L-13
6      7      L-13= -26
7,      10      L-26=-52, repeater 10, play group 10
8,      0      L-13= -65u
9,      6      w 23= -42u
10,      30      play 6-30
11,      29      w23=-19u
12,      28
13,      1
14,      16      play 16-28
15,      26      L-13=-32u
16,      25      L-13=-45u
17,      13      L-26=-71u, play 13-25
18,      11      L-13= -84u, hit group 4
19,      6      L-13= -97u
20,      6      L-26= -123u, repeater 6, play group 6
21,      22      w 23=-100u
22,      1
23,      29
24,      30
25,      21
26,      20
27,      31
28,      19      play 19-31
29,      24      L -13= -113u
30,       26      w 23= -90u
31,      35
32,      13
33,      6
34,      31
35,      2
36,      20
37,      30      play group 6-30
38,      3      L-13=-103
39,      4      w 23=-80u
40,      3      repeater 3, play group 3
41,      15      w 23= -57u, play it again from the repeater and key#
42,      29      w23= -34u, play it again till it loses or a new group
43,      35      w23=-11u, play again
44,      14      L13=-24u, wait for next signal
45,      29      repeater 29, play group 5
46,      27      L-13=-37u
47,      19      L-13=-50u
48,      17      w 46= -4u
49,      33
50,      27
51,      5      play 5-17
52,      19      L-13=-17u
53,      28      L-13=-30
54,      23      L-26=-56
55,      33      w 69=13u
56,      12
57,      1
58,      5
59,      28
60,      10
61,      20
62,      7
63,      10      repeater 10, play group 10
64,      11      L-13= 0
65,      3      L-13= -13
66,      36      w 46= 33u (good stopwin if tire of grind)
67,      12      play 12-36
68,      23      L-13= 20u, play 11-23
69      1      L-13=7u
70,      2      L-13=-6u, 12-36 hit
71,      3      w 23= 17u
72,      23
73,      11      play 11-23
74,      26      L-13= 4
75,      20      L-13= -9
76      0      L-26=-35
77,      26,      L-39=-74u, repeater 26, play group 2
78,      10      w 23=-51
79,      13
80,      0,      repeater 0, play group 12
81,      13      L-13=-64, repeater 13, play group 1
82,      33      L-13= -77
83,      13      w23= -54, repeater again, continue with group 1
84,      22      L-13= -67, wait for next signal
85,      25      play 13-25
86,      28      L-13= -80
87,      29      w 23= -57
88,      11      
89,      14
90,      3
91,      20
92,      34
93,      2      play 2-14
94,      16      L-13= -70
95,      25      L-13= -83
96,      3      L-26= -109u
97,      29      L-39= -148u
98,      26      w 92= -56u
99,      11
100,      6
101,      30      play 6-30
102,      36      L -13=-69u
103,      4      w23=-46u, key# hit, play group again
104,      16      w23= -23u, play 4-16
105,      11      w23= 0u
106,      23      play 11-23
107      17      L -13= -13
108,      7      w23= 10u (highest +unit in session)
109,      22
110,      7      repeater 7, play group 7
111,      15      w23= 33u
112,      21
113,      26
114,      13
115,      15      repeater 15, play group 3
116,      22      w23= 56u (good stopwin, after long grind)
117,      16
118,      29
119,      18
120,      1
121,      6      play 6-18
122,      28      L-13=43
123,      32      L-13=30
124,      14      w 46=76u (highest + units), the session did not get higher over the next 100 spins

[bloomone2002]

Ok, I tried using the 6# key number group with a 5 or 10 step, much worst results, when playing according to the rules, I missed a lot of hits when new groups qualified.

Session 3c, table 8 4/4/08, 6# progression 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-3, (10 step) stopWin=100u

1,      19
2,      25
3,      16
4,      16      repeater 16, play group 4
5,      10      L-6
6      7      L-6= -12
7,      10      L-6=-18, repeater 10, play group 10
8,      0      L-6= -24u
9,      6      L-6= -30u
10,      30      play 6-30
11,      29      L-6= -36
12,      28      L-6= -42
13,      1      L-6= -48
14,      16      L-6= -56, play 16-28
15,      26      L-6= -62u
16,      25      L-6= -68u
17,      13      L-6= -74u, play 13-25
18,      11      L-6= -80u, hit group 4
19,      6      L-6= -86u
20,      6      L-6= -92u, repeater 6, play group 6
21,      22      L-6= -98u
22,      1      L-6= -104u
23,      29      L-6= -110u
24,      30
25,      21
26,      20
27,      31
28,      19      
29,      24      
30,       26      
31,      35
32,      13
33,      6
34,      31
35,      2
36,      20
37,      30      
38,      3      
39,      4      
40,      3      
41,      15      
42,      29      
43,      35      
44,      14      
45,      29      
46,      27      
47,      19      
48,      17      
49,      33
50,      27

[bloomone2002]

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