Test of TurboGenius's 4 # System

[cps10]

I did another 318-spin test...this one was better:

HI: +480 units
LO: -67 units
END: +470 units

Totals: 1,008 spins
END: +673 units - still a lot of money

If you have a 100-units stop/win, you would be up +300 units at this point.

Spin 56 got you over the 100-unit mark after drawing down 67 units (which was the LO).

[cps10]

Okay, another 404-spin test:

HI: +713 units
LO: -40 units
END: +713 units

Totals: 1,412 spins
END: +1,386 units - as TG was saying, at $25 per spin = $34,650 in about 35.3 hours. Nice week's wage! With a drawdown of $12,875.

If you have a 100-units stop/win, you would be up +400 units at this point.

Spin 42 got you over the 100-unit mark after drawing down 1 unit.

[cps10]

Okay, another 335-spin test:

HI: +464 units
LO: -280 units
END: +275 units

Totals: 1,747 spins
END: +1,661 units - as TG was saying, at $25 per spin = $41,525 in about 43.6 hours. Nice week's wage! With a drawdown of $12,875.

If you have a 100-units stop/win, you would be up +500 units at this point.

Spin 53 got you over the 100-unit mark after drawing down 21 units.

[bloomone2002]

Okay, another 335-spin test:

HI: +464 units
LO: -280 units
END: +275 units

Totals: 1,747 spins
END: +1,661 units - as TG was saying, at $25 per spin = $41,525 in about 43.6 hours. Nice week's wage! With a drawdown of $12,875.

If you have a 100-units stop/win, you would be up +500 units at this point.

Spin 53 got you over the 100-unit mark after drawing down 21 units.

Great test results cps10, thanks!

[cps10]

Had a bad one just a few minutes ago...so once stop/loss is established, then we could be somewhere. Maybe a +/- 100.

[bloomone2002]

Had a bad one just a few minutes ago...so once stop/loss is established, then we could be somewhere. Maybe a +/- 100.

Makes sense, so in 6 session we are up 400 units, because of WWWWWL, with an average of 50 - 100 spins per session.

Also, to help minimize loss, player  may decide to play the dozen that is one of the two hottest hitting or pick the dozen that was sleeping and just started hitting. Maybe if a dozen hits 3 spins in a row or if a dozens hits 2 of 3 spins.

Maybe someone else has some additional rules for selecting the best dozen to play according to the current trend.
bloom

[bloomone2002]

Play d3 for 1st and 2nd win, and switched to d2 for 3rd win. By spin 39, d3 was going cold and d2 was getting hot. Stopwin goal met on spin 45.
Table 3: 1/1/08

1,      5      d1
2      31      d3
3      31      d3      repeater 31
4      10      d1
5      27      d3      d3 has hit 3 of last spin, play d3, bet 27
6      4      d1      L-1
7      15      d2      L-1= -2u
8      20      d2      L-1= -3u
9      35      d3      L-1= -4u, bet 27&35
10      12      d1      L-2= -6u
11      27      d3      w34= 28u, reset
12      26      d3      bet 26 (d3)
13      21      d2      L-1=27u
14      13      d1      L-1=26u
15      31      d3      L-1=25u, bet 26&31
16      34      d3      L-2=23u, bet 26&31&34
17      33      d3      L-3=20u, kill 31-33, bet 26&34 +2
18      7      d1      L-4=16
19      20      d2      L-4=12
20      4      d1      L-4=8
21      1      d1      L-4=4
22      19      d2      L-4=0
23      4      d1      L-4= -4
24      28      d3      L-4= -8, bet 26&28&34 +2
25      18      d2      L-6= -14
26      19      d2      L-6= -20
27      21      d2      L-6= -26
28      36      d3      L-6= -32, kill 34-36, bet 26&28 +3
29      33      d3      L-6= -38
30      7      d1      L-6= -42
31      27      d3      L-6=-48, kill 25-27, bet 28 +4
32      3      d1      L-4= -52
33      23      d2      L-4= -56 (highest drawdown)
34      28      d3      w 140= 140-56=84u, reset
35      10      d1
36      14      d2
37      15      d2
38      2      d1
39      24      d2      d3 is going cold, d2 hit 3 of  last  4 spin, play d2, bet 24
40      10      d1      L-1=83
41      1      d1      L-1=82
42      33      d3      L-1=81
43      2      d1      L-1=80
44      31      d3      L-1=79
45      24      d2      w35=79+35=114u stopwin goal

[bloomone2002]

These are live spins recorded by cps10 from Wiesbaden casino
This is a bad session below:

Table 3: 1/2/08

1,      29      d3
2      22      d2
3      0
4      18      d2
5      33      d3
6      20      d2
7      5      d1
8      17      d2      
9      31      d3
10      19      d2      
11      0            
12      26      d3      
13      23      d2      
14      33      d3      repeater 33 (d3)
15      15      d2      
16      29      d3      d3 hit 2 of last 3 and repeater, bet 29
17      27      d3      L-1= -1, bet 27&29
18      12      d1      L-2= -3
19      31      d3      L-2= -5, bet 27&29&31
20      6      d1      L-3= -8
21      7      d1      L-3= -11
22      12      d1      L-3= -14
23      10      d1      L-3= -17
24      0      na      L-3= -20
25      21      d2      L-3= -23
26      36      d3      L-3= -26, bet 27&29&31&36
27      33      d3      L-4= -30, kill 31-33, bet 27&29&36 +2
28      33      d3      L-6= -36
29      35      d3      L-6= -42, kill 34-36, bet 27&29 +3
30      20      d2      L-6= -48
31      11      d1      L-6= -54
32      21      d2      L-6= -60
33      34      d3      L-6= -66
34      20      d2      L-6= -72
35      11      d1      L-6= -78
36      6      d1      L-6= -84
37      3      d1      L-6= -90
38      7      d1      L-6= -96
39      28      d3      L-6= -102, kill 28-30, bet 27 +4, over stoploss
#26 comes up before #27 to kill the last street.

[TwoCatSam]

Bloom

Would you consider posting where your number come from and whether it live or RNG?

Sam

[bloomone2002]

I think its better not to virtual bet with this system. Also, has anyone determine what to do if the dozen being has all activated streets (1,2,3 or 4) killed, do we reset and start over or only wait for the street or streets that werent activated to hit and play only those streets until either it hits or is killed or reached stoploss level.

below is the previous session without the virtual betting. This time I started with the first spin, which determines what dozen group to play and which street within that group is activated. So far after 106 spins it got up to +57 unit on spin 46, but then when up to -228 on spin 105 and is currently at -90 units. The session has 294 spins.

Questions I have are: do we always play the same dozen for each session, if so, which one and why?
Should we play the dozen that starts the session?
Should we virtual bet to determine which dozen has the best current?


Table 3: 1/2/08

1,      29      d3      bet 29 (d3)
2      22      d2      L-1
3      0      na      L-1= -2
4      18      d2      L-1= -3
5      33      d3      L-1= -3, b29&33
6      20      d2      L-2= -5
7      5      d1      L-2= -7
8      17      d2      L-2= -9
9      31      d3      L-2= -11, k31-33, b29 +2
10      19      d2      L-2= -13
11      0            L-2= -15
12      26      d3      L-2= -17, b26&29 +2
13      23      d2      L-4= -21
14      33      d3      L-4= -25
15      15      d2      L-4= -29
16      29      d3      w68=39u, reset, wait for d3
17      27      d3      bet 27
18      12      d1      L-1= 38
19      31      d3      L-1= 37
20      6      d1      L-1= 36
21      7      d1      L-1= 35
22      12      d1      L-1= 34
23      10      d1      L-1= 33
24      0      na      L-1= 32
25      21      d2      L-1= 31
26      36      d3      L-1= 30, b27&36
27      33      d3      L-2= 28, b27&33&36
28      33      d3      L-3= 25, k31-33, b27&36 +2
29      35      d3      L-4= 21, k34-36, b27 +3
30      20      d2      L-3= 18
31      11      d1      L-3= 15
32      21      d2      L-3= 12
33      34      d3      L-3= 9
34      20      d2      L-3= 6
35      11      d1      L-3= 3
36      6      d1      L-3= 0
37      3      d1      L-3= -3
38      7      d1      L-3= -6
39      28      d3      L-3= -9, b27&28 +3
40      20      d2      L-6= -15
41      35      d3      L-6= -21
42      34      d3      L-6= -27
43      20      d2      L-6= -33
44      21      d2      L-6= -39
45      24      d2      L-6= -45
46      28      d3      w(108-6=102)=57u, reset wait for d3
47      3      d1
48      15      d2
49      0      na
50      2      d1
51      28      d3      bet 28
52      32      d3      L-1= 56, b28&32
53      12      d1      L-2= 54
54      29      d3      L-2= 52, k28-30, b32 +2
55      28      d3      L-2=50
56      30      d3      L-2=48
57      10      d1      L-2= 46
58      20      d2      L-2= 44
59      29      d3      L-2= 42
60      6      d1      L-2= 40
61      26      d3      L-2= 38, b26&32 +2
62      19      d2      L-4= 34
63      3      d1      L-4= 30
64      6      d1      L-4= 26
65      34      d3      L-4= 22 b26&32&34 +2
66      0      na      L-6= 16
67      30      d3      L-6=10
68      7      d1      L-6= 4
69      2      d1      L-6= -2
70      15      d2      L-6= -8
71      21      d2      L-6= -14
72      6      d1      L-6= -20
73      5      d1      L-6= -26
74      6      d1      L-6= -32
75      18      d2      L-6= -38
76      11      d1      L-6= -44
77      17      d2      L-6= -60
78      19      d2      L-6= -66
79      20      d2      L-6= -72
80      6      d1      L-6= -78
81      28      d3      L-6= -84
82      0      na      L-6= -90
83      11      d1      L-6= -96
84      30      d3      L-6= -102 over stoploss
85      14      d2      L-6= -108
86      5      d1      L-6= -114
87      3      d1      L-6= -120
88      24      d2      L-6= -126
89      13      d2      L-6= -132
90      2      d1      L-6= -138
91      36      d3      L-6= -144, k34-36, b26&32 +3
92      14      d2      L-6= -150
93      35      d3      L-6= -156
94      8      d1      L-6= -162
95      5      d1      L-6= -168
96      24      d2      L-6= -174
97      30      d3      L-6= -180
98      5      d1      L-6= -186
99      8      d1      L-6= -192
100      31      d3      L-6= -198, K31-33, b26 +4
101      3      d1      L-6= -204
102      24      d2      L-6= -210
103      9      d1      L-6= -216
104      11      d1      L-6= -222
105      9      d1      L-6= -228
106      26      d3      w(144-6=138)= -90 units

[cps10]

Bloom

Would you consider posting where your number come from and whether it live or RNG?

Sam

Sam,

I believe these numbers come live from Wiesbaden Casino.

[Clothdog]

Sam or Cps,
One question, I may have missed this.
Ok say we go with
28-B1-L1
36-B1-L1
34-K1-B2(on 28 str.)
30..Now that street is killed and we have no more streets. Now what? Start over?
cd

[bloomone2002]

Sam or Cps,
One question, I may have missed this.
Ok say we go with
28-B1-L1
36-B1-L1
34-K1-B2(on 28 str.)
30..Now that street is killed and we have no more streets. Now what? Start over?
cd

yep, this is the same question, I was asking in reply#24, but I'm thinking best approach is using Sam's variation. Playing all 3 dozens, even though it is harder to administer, it protects you against a sleeper dozen, also gives the sleeper dozen, spins to come around, and you can take advantage of the hot dozen and you dont have to determine which dozen is best. You are only playing up to 12# at the most, flatbetting from +1 to +4 units. You have a greater change of reaching your stopwin goal, which means you can abandon a sleeper dozen if it is not hitting and you have already reached your goal based upon the other 1 or 2 dozens. In the next post, I will post this approach on the same session that lost in the 2 previous approaches. The 2 previous approaches were negative this one is positive.
Bloom

[bloomone2002]

Ok, I applied new rules to this system, that takes advantage of hot streets, which have been killed and a pluscoup when dozen is killed without a hit. I am also playing all 3 dozens to hedge myself against sleeper dozens. This time the session which lost in the previous 2 methods receive 185 units within 42 spins. The average bet was about 7units. The highest bet was 30 units on the last spin, which luckily won on the next spin. The largest drawdown was -64 units.
Here are the rules:
If a dozen is killed without a win, then add +1 on the next signal for that dozen, so the first bet is +2 not +1 to restart the session. Also, if a street is killed in dozen, a number from that street repeats add +1 to that dozen's active numbers or group. If the same or another number from the killed street repeats again before a win, then add +1 again to the active dozen group and I then add the killed street from that dozen to play.
I will test more sessions with these new rules.
Table 3: 1/2/08

1,      29      d3      bet 29 (d3)
2      22      d2      L-1= -1, 22+1, 29+1
3      0      na      L-2= -3
4      18      d2      L-2= -3, 18&22+1, 29+1
5      33      d3      L-3= -6, 18&22+1, 29&33+1
6      20      d2      L-4= -10, 18&20&22+1, 29&33+1
7      5      d1      L-5= -15, 5+1, 18&20&22+1, 29&33+1
8      17      d2      L-6= -21, k16-18, 5+1, 20&22+2, 29&33+1
9      31      d3      L-7= -28, k31-33, 5+1, 20&22+2, 29+2
10      19      d2      L-7= -35, k19-21, 5+1, 22+3, 29+2
11      0            L-6= -41, 5+1, 22+3, 29+2
12      26      d3      L-6= -47, 5+1, 22&3, 26&29+2
13      23      d2      L-7= -54, k22-24, 5+1, d2 wiped out- restart w/pluscoup+2, 26&29+2
14      33      d3      L-5= -59, 5+1, 26&29+2
15      15      d2      L-5= -64, 5+1, restart d2 w/15+2, 26&29+2
16      29      d3      w (72-7=65)= 2u, 5+1,15+2, wait for d3 signal
17      27      d3      L-3= 0u, 5+1, 15+2, bet 27+1
18      12      d1      L-4= -4u, 5+1, 12&15+2, 27+1
19      31      d3      L-6= -10u, 5+1, 12&15+2, 27&31+1
20      6      d1      L-7= -17u, k4-6, restart d1 w/pluscoup+2, 12&15+2, 27&31+1
21      7      d1      L-6= -23u, 7+2, 12&15+2, 27&31+1
22      12      d1      w(72-8=64)= 41u, 7+2, d2 wait, 27&31+1
23      10      d1      L-4= 37u, 7&10+2, 27&31+1
24      0      na      L-6= 31u, 7&10+2, 27&31+1
25      21      d2      L-6= 31u, 7&10+2, 21+1, 27&31+1
26      36      d3      L-7= 24, 7&10+2, 21+1, 27&31&36+1
27      33      d3      L-7= 17, k31-33, 7&10+2, 21+1, 27&36+2
28      33      d3      L-7= 10, 7&10+2, 21+1, 27&36+3 (add +1 to d3, to recoup k31-33 2x)
29      35      d3      L-11= -1, k34-36, 7&10+2, 21+1, 27+4
30      20      d2      L-9= -10, k19-21, 7&10+2, restart d2 w/+2, 27+4
31      11      d1      L-8= -18, 7&10+2, 27+4
32      21      d2      L-8= -26, k10-12, 7+2, 27+4, k19-21 2x increase d2 to +3 on next signal
33      34      d3      L-6= -32, 7+2, 27+5 (k34-36 2x)
34      20      d2      L-10= -42, (k19-21 3x), play 19-21street +3, 7+2, 27+5
35      11      d1      L-16= -58, (k10-12 2x) 7+3, 19-21+3, 27+5
36      6      d1      L-17= -75, 7+3, 19-21+3, 27+5
37      3      d1      L-17= -92, 7+3, 19-21+3, 27+5
38      7      d1      w(108-17=91) = -1, 19-21+3, 27+5
39      28      d3      L-14= -15, 19-21+3, 27&28+5
40      20      d2      w (108-19=89)= 74, 27&28+5
41      35      d3      L-10= (k34-36 3x), 27&28&play 34-36+6
42      34      d3      w (216-30=186)= 185u stopwin goal
Bloom

[bloomone2002]

The previous rules worked again in this session. I add one more rule, if a dozen group bet unit is higher than +4 doing the progression of the dozens active session, then any numbers that appear in the next spin from streets that were killed in that active session add to the number to the dozen's active group to bet. see spin 34 for an example.
Also, if you have surpassed your stop win goal and still have active dozens you elect to play a handful more spins, if win you have a greater margin of profit if lost you are still within your stop win goal range.
Summary: 40 spins =120 units, highest negative units= -55, highest drawdown bet = -21
because this method is a little more agressive with a higher unit profit potential. I would increase my stoploss to -150 and keep the stop win at +100 units.

I will test and post another session.

Session 3 Table 3: 1/3/08

1,      2      d1      bet 2
2      4      d1      L-1, 2&4+1
3      13      d2      L-2, -3, 2&4+1, 13+1
4      35      d3      L-3, -6, 2&4+1, 13+1, 35+1
5      25      d3      L-4, -10, 2&4+1, 13+1, 25&35+1
6      16      d2      L-5, -15, 2&4+1, 13&16+1, 25&35+1
7      12      d1      L-6, -21, 2&4&12+1, 13&16+1, 25&35+1
8      9      d1      L-7, -28, 2&4&9&12+1, 13&16+1, 25&35+1
9      19      d2      L-8, -36, 2&4&9&12+1, 13&16&19+1, 25&35+1
10      20      d2      L-9, -45, k19-21, 2&4&9&12+1, 13&16+2, 25&35+1
11      5      d1      L-10, -55, k4-6, 2&9&12+2, 13&16+2, 25&35+1
12      9      d1      w (72-9=63)= 8u, wait for d1 signal, 13&16+2, 25&35+1
13      17      d2      L-6= 2u, k16-18, 13+3, 25&35+1
14      6      d1      L-5= -3, 6+1, 13+3, 25&35+1
15      24      d2      L-6= -9, 6+1, 13&24+3, 25&35+1
16      35      d3      w (36-9=27)=18u, 6+1, 13&24+3, wait for d3 signal
17      22      d2      L-7= 11u, kill22-24, 6+1, 13+3
18      31      d3      L-4= 7u, 6+1, 13+3, 31+1
19      33      d3      L-5= 2u, kill31-33=+2 coup on d3 restart, 6+1, 13+3
20      2      d1      L-4= -2, 2&6+1, 13+3
21      29      d3      L-5= -7, 2&6+1, 13+3, 29+2
22      23      d2      L-7= -14, k22-24(2x), 2&6+1, 13+4, 29+2
23      29      d3      w(72-8=64)=50u, 2&6+1, 13+4, wait for d3 signal
24      0      d1      L-6= 44u, 2&6+1, 13+4
25      30      d3      L-6= 38u, 2&6+1, 13+4, 30+1
26      9      d1      L-7= 31u, 2&6&9+1, 13+4, 30+1
27      21      d2      L-8= 23u, K19-21(2x), 2&6&9+1, 13+5, 30+1
28      6      d1      w (36-9=27)= 50u, wait for d1 signal, 13+5, 30+1
29      31      d3      L-6= 44u, 13+5, 30&31+1
30      31      d3      w (36-7=29)= 73u, 13+5, wait for d1&d3 signal
31      0      na      L-5= 68u, 13+5
32      26      d3      L-5= 63u, 13+5, 26+1
33      19      d2      L-6= 57u, 13&19+5, 26+1
34      15      d2      L-11= 46u, k13-15 any doz over +4 do not kill, 13&15&19+5, 26+1
35      27      d3      L-16= 30u, k25-27 play+2 on d3, 13&15&19+5
36      35      d3      L-15= 15u, 13&15&19+5, 35+2
37      4      d1      L-17= -2u, 4+1, 13&15&19+5, 35+2
38      2      d1      L-18= -20u, 2&4+1, 13&15&19+5, 35+2
39      28      d3      L-19= -39u, 2&4+1, 13&15&19+5, 28&35+2
40      15      d2      w (180-21=159)= 120 stop win goal
41      15      d2      
42      31      d3
43      2      d1      another hit 3 spins later
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