can the casino dectect a bot

[John1234]

Can an online casino detect a bot? I am playing with bet phoenix and I live in USA. It is the only live online casino that I have the option of playing with. I don't want to get kicked off because of using a bot. Can anyone provide some info on this subject?

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi John
Hers a link to something that may interest you

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/

TSK

[Number Six]

The short answer is yes, they can detect them. Check the casino's terms before using one. If you MUST use one, make sure it is programmed to mimic real player actions as much as possible. Because if you're winning regularly, the casino will scrutinise your betting history. Any indication that you're using a bot might get your account suspended.

[John1234]

Hi John
Hers a link to something that may interest you

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/

The Spiders Kiss

Thanks for the reply. I read that it can only be used on Dublin Bet and another casino. I live in USA so the only live casino that I can play on is Bet Phoenix. And I play baccarat on that casino, the roulette on bet phoenix is kind of weird. 

[John1234]

The short answer is yes, they can detect them. Check the casino's terms before using one. If you MUST use one, make sure it is programmed to mimic real player actions as much as possible.

Ok thanks for your quick answer. I figured that they can, especially if it is running all day.

[Number Six]

Some casinos, if not all, might also be able to detect other software agents running on your screen next to the casino window. While they won't be able to prove it's a bot, it's enough of an excuse to refuse payouts. I'd say because you only have access to that one casino, tread carefully!

[John1234]

Thank you, that is exactly what I need to do.

[esoito]

This interesting thread begs the questions: 

1  If the author of a bot offers so-called 'stealth mode' then how effective is that mode?

2  Can 'stealth mode' make the bot truly 100% undetectable? Or is that technically impossible?

3  What sorts of play-patterns should be included as part of the bot's behaviour to make it appear to be a human player?

[rjeaton1]

Here are my thoughts on this while "bot" thing (unwanted or not, here they come)

The ONLY possible things an online casino could detect you were using a bot is the speed at which your bets are placed and how long you've been playing.

It can't be if there "is a window open next to the casino window" as it could internet explorer, outlook, excel, a tracker, you could be gambling while you're at work (which they certainly wouldn't want to deter), so on and so forth.

It can't be HOW your bets are placed as the bot places the bets in the same fashion a mouse "clicks".  No difference.

It can't be how quickly you're spinning the wheel, as I can press the spin button on "quick spin" mode about a million and a half times a minute (obviously exagerating)...not only can I, but I have.  And I've won real money doing it.  Just watch the "four spins to win" videos I've posted here.  I won quite a bit of money without placing bets very often but spinning the wheel thousands of times, as it required a lot of tracking.  To do that and make the video I had to turn the animation off and spin the wheel very fast so i could keep the video size down.  I cashed out those winnings no problem.

Again, the only way "quick spinning" could turn into a problem is the amount of time you were doing it.  I mean, how long can one quick spin before they have tired fingers?

It can't be the "way" in which you're playing.  Systems are a dime a dozen, and most will play a system right up until they lose all of their money staying perfectly true to the rules of the system without straying.  Again, not something a casino wants to deter.

So, back to what I said in the beginning of the post.  2 things that they can detect - How quickly bets are placed, and the amount of time played.  Both of these things are tracked, and you can see them yourself if you go into your online casino account and look at your play history.  I just went and looked at mine at Online Vegas and they have EVERY bet I placed logged and the time I placed it DOWN TO THE SECOND (literally).

How quickly the bets are placed is something they would take into consideration because a computer "moves" the "mouse" and "places bets" much faster than a human ever could.  So, when they see quick spins combined with the placing 14 bets and then the spin button is pressed again all within less than one second, that is obviously a bot.

Second - How long you're playing.  Obviously a person can only play so long.  If you were to try and use the defense "well, I went to sleep and my friend played for me" you're going to be immediately be turned down for a payout anyway as the account is to be used and played only by the person whose name is on the account.

There is no "algorithm" that a "bot" produces that is visible to the casino.  A bot is simply something that does the tracking and calculations inside the "walls" of the bot and then uses your "mouse" (sometimes without you actually seeing it) to place the bets. 

So, if you are doing your tracking and calculations with RXtreme for instance and then it says to bet and shows you where to bet, up until that point there is no difference between what a bot has done and what you have done.  The only time it differs is again 2 things:

How long it plays and how quickly it places the bets.

So, if you turn down how quickly the bets are placed and how long it plays for (to match the speeds and times a human generally conforms to) you'll be fine.  There is nothing in and of itself about a bot that is detectable.  It isn't doing anything a human doesn't do...nothing...except for place bets FASTER and play LONGER.

[John1234]

This interesting thread begs the questions: 

1  If the author of a bot offers so-called 'stealth mode' then how effective is that mode?

2  Can 'stealth mode' make the bot truly 100% undetectable? Or is that technically impossible?

3  What sorts of play-patterns should be included as part of the bot's behaviour to make it appear to be a human player?

Interesting questions. I once downloaded a free trial of a blackjack bot that had stealth mode built in. I didn't get the whole idea behind it. I think that if you have a bot playing all night long, making bet after bet for hours, then nothing is going to stop those warning signs, not even stealth mode. And I would be a bit afraid to have a bot play a progressive system for hours without me there.
-Maybe having a stop win on a bot can make it more human like. Once the bot wins a certain number of units, maybe 4-10 units, it stops until you restart it again.

Here are my thoughts on this while "bot" thing (unwanted or not, here they come)

The ONLY possible things an online casino could detect you were using a bot is the speed at which your bets are placed and how long you've been playing.

It can't be if there "is a window open next to the casino window" as it could internet explorer, outlook, excel, a tracker, you could be gambling while you're at work (which they certainly wouldn't want to deter), so on and so forth.

It can't be HOW your bets are placed as the bot places the bets in the same fashion a mouse "clicks".  No difference.

It can't be how quickly you're spinning the wheel, as I can press the spin button on "quick spin" mode about a million and a half times a minute (obviously exagerating)...not only can I, but I have.  And I've won real money doing it.  Just watch the "four spins to win" videos I've posted here.  I won quite a bit of money without placing bets very often but spinning the wheel thousands of times, as it required a lot of tracking.  To do that and make the video I had to turn the animation off and spin the wheel very fast so I could keep the video size down.  I cashed out those winnings no problem.

Again, the only way "quick spinning" could turn into a problem is the amount of time you were doing it.  I mean, how long can one quick spin before they have tired fingers?

It can't be the "way" in which you're playing.  Systems are a dime a dozen, and most will play a system right up until they lose all of their money staying perfectly true to the rules of the system without straying.  Again, not something a casino wants to deter.

So, back to what I said in the beginning of the post.  2 things that they can detect - How quickly bets are placed, and the amount of time played.  Both of these things are tracked, and you can see them yourself if you go into your online casino account and look at your play history.  I just went and looked at mine at Online Vegas and they have EVERY bet I placed logged and the time I placed it DOWN TO THE SECOND (literally).

How quickly the bets are placed is something they would take into consideration because a computer "moves" the "mouse" and "places bets" much faster than a human ever could.  So, when they see quick spins combined with the placing 14 bets and then the spin button is pressed again all within less than one second, that is obviously a bot.

Second - How long you're playing.  Obviously a person can only play so long.  If you were to try and use the defense "well, I went to sleep and my friend played for me" you're going to be immediately be turned down for a payout anyway as the account is to be used and played only by the person whose name is on the account.

There is no "algorithm" that a "bot" produces that is visible to the casino.  A bot is simply something that does the tracking and calculations inside the "walls" of the bot and then uses your "mouse" (sometimes without you actually seeing it) to place the bets. 

So, if you are doing your tracking and calculations with RXtreme for instance and then it says to bet and shows you where to bet, up until that point there is no difference between what a bot has done and what you have done.  The only time it differs is again 2 things:

How long it plays and how quickly it places the bets.

So, if you turn down how quickly the bets are placed and how long it plays for (to match the speeds and times a human generally conforms to) you'll be fine.  There is nothing in and of itself about a bot that is detectable.  It isn't doing anything a human doesn't do...nothing...except for place bets FASTER and play LONGER.

Very nice post. I can't get the exact details from bet phoenix on how often I bet but I'm sure they have them Plus more.

I have noticed that there is a computer that sits next to the dealer. For the card number to show up on my computer, the dealer must scan the card over a scanner that is built into the table. If the card does not scan then the dealer turns to the computer and types the card value in so it shows up on my screen.  I can't see exactly what is on that computer but I wonder if it shows who is betting and how often. Bet Phoenix seems somewhat advanced (more into technology) well at least compared to dublin bet, they probably have all sorts of ways to track.

I like what you said at the end of your post. What do you think is the maximum amount of time a person should have a bot running in one sitting?

[rjeaton1]

I like what you said at the end of your post. What do you think is the maximum amount of time a person should have a bot running in one sitting?

I think that question is actually where people get in trouble.  What I mean is, I (and countless others) can tell you what we "think" is the maximum all day.  The problem with basing actions on anything other than facts is you're experimenting.  So, I say "I think the max. is 6 hours"  So, you go and try 6 hours...only to find that was a bit too much...and you're banned.

I think the road to take on this one isn't "what is the maximum" but ask yourself "what's the longest I've ever played manually at BetPheonix" or ask the forum "what's the longest any of you have ever played (without any repercussions)?"

Then, you'll have a definite answer of how long is safe to play all in one sitting (manually anyway).  Then, if you set the bot up to bet and spin at the same speed you're capable of and only let it run for the amount of time you determined was acceptable using the previous method, then you're all set.

Because now, the bot truly ISN'T doint anything you're not capable of.  It isn't playing any differently than the same way you would play when you didn't get banned.  It isn't playing any longer, it's not betting any faster, it's not spinning any faster, it's simply playing the EXACT same way you play.

I think people get banned most often because they too are trying to find the safe "maximum"...which is always a gamble.

So, you might be inclined to ask "well, then what the h3ll is the point?"

I would answer:

You can leave your computer (something I should do more often, haha)

You have removed emotion from the game play (no more having to worry about "going on tilt"...it simply follows pre-determined rules like stop-losses and win goals...and if it reaches either of them, it truly stops.  Something we as humans could learn a lesson from)

You no longer have to track anything manually (so while it isn't ACTUALLY spinning or bettin any faster, you'll still be "playing" more because the tracking is done instantaneously and is always correct.  I can't tell you how many times I haven't placed a bet or placed a bet incorrectly when using a system that required a lot of tracking because I did something wrong)

The list goes on.  But you get the point.

[roules]

I've seen some poker bots that mimic human play quite well. They take regular but random toilet breaks, only play for certain periods of time, vary the mouse speeds and decision time. They aren't visible on the screen or in the task manager.
One high end bot actually requires two computers networked together, one runs the bot the other plays at the casino. Unlike most online casinos that offer roulette and baccarat etc, poker sites specify 'no bots allowed' in their Ts & Cs.

[Number Six]

Robert, no offence but the casinos aren't as stupid or clueless as you think. The casino can detect other windows on your screen, they can also detect WHERE you are clicking on the casino interface. If they see you are clicking on the exact same regions of pixels over and over and over and over, what do you think that will tell them? They can inspect your betting history and see that there are consistent time delays between the actions you take and the clicks of your mouse. What do you think that will tell them? They will know how you're betting and see that you've made no mistakes. What do you think that will tell them? Bot sellers will feed you all kinds of spiel in order to boost their sales. There is no "stealth mode". There is no safe way to use a bot and stay under the radar. The simple fact is probably every online casino has the technology to physically detect bots. And if you're not allowed to use one, they will cancel your account. That is the truth, it is inarguable. The sellers will recommend all kinds of steps to evade detection. It's rubbish. The casino will know in seconds whether or not you are a bot user.

[Number Six]

Unlike most online casinos that offer roulette and baccarat etc, poker sites specify 'no bots allowed' in their Ts & Cs.

That is because you can code a poker bot to make optimum decisions at every turn. It's partially a game of skill as you are playing against other humans. Poker bot users are cheats and as despicable as burglars.

[esoito]

Interesting...ethics and moral philosophy are a guide to actions are they not?

A bot is a roBOT -- put simply, it's a hands-off means of carrying out a repetitive action.

Is it wrong to use a roulette bot? But OK to use a forex bot?

Is it wrong to use a poker bot? But OK to use a laying-greyhound bot on Betfair?

So:

When is using a bot cheating and/or dishonest, and when is it not?

When is using a bot simply a sensible, efficient strategy to save time and maximise profits?

[esoito]

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