Offer to anyone who claims they can win in the long run

[curious]

I'm not sure if this is a challenge, more of an offer.

There are a few people on this forum who, legitimately I believe, claim to be able to beat roulette in the long run.

I make this offer.   If you live in the United States or are going to be in the United States.

I will meet you at the casino of your choice.   I will bankroll play of your approach over enough spins to get into the long run.   We split winnings at some ratio to be negotiated if the play generates a net win.   You make good losses if the play generates a net loss.

A few things I need from you first.

The expected value of your approach.
The number of trials necessary that theoretical expected value will equal actual results.   (If you don't know how to calculate this I can do it for you. )
Standard deviation of your approach.
An English description of your approach in language that even I can understand.
Risk of ruin of your approach.
Needed bankroll to overcome standard deviation and make it to the long run with a reasonable risk of ruin.

I will reject responses to this offer that are betting schemes which do not have some theoretical support that they can provide +EV.   For example, if you respond with a martingale I will reject your response.

And please do not respond with some secret CIA crap like "how I play is a secret so I want you to put up your money without having any idea what I plan to do".

[Spike]

I will meet you at the casino of your choice.   I will bankroll play of your approach over enough spins to get into the long run.   We split winnings at some ratio to be negotiated if the play generates a net win. >>>

You get to observe a winning system first hand and up close. What does the system owner get out of this deal? If he has a winning system, he certainly doesn't need your BR. Why would anybody in their right mind do this if they have a winning system, I don't see any benefit to them whatsoever.

[Spike]

next  time  this  post  under   humor>>>

It reminds me of the gambling columnist who will pay a $10,000 prize to anybody who submits a winning long term system for any casino game. He's in essence buying a winning system for a measly 10K. What a joke..

[Bo0Merang]

You  know what  i never was buy system why??? i  cant understand  that i  have  usualy many  questions  about diferent things but whay buy it system  if anyone can  make some small  winning with easy math,my looses  was learn me to much but i  was never los huges amounts but after some time it is go  add up.

[rjeaton1]

The expected value of your approach.
The number of trials necessary that theoretical expected value will equal actual results.   (If you don't know how to calculate this I can do it for you. )
Standard deviation of your approach.
An English description of your approach in language that even I can understand.
Risk of ruin of your approach.
Needed bankroll to overcome standard deviation and make it to the long run with a reasonable risk of ruin.

The only method that will be able to answer these questions with answers that are anything but negative, is VB or some sort of advantage play.

The EV of any system that isn't in some way associated with advantage play will always be -2.7% or -5.26% because that is all math will allow for.

@ Spike >>  If somebody were to answer curious' questions, and then take him up on the offer by doing it in front of him in a casino he would certainly witness a winning method, but that in no way would immediately make him capable of doing it himself.

[curious]

I will meet you at the casino of your choice.   I will bankroll play of your approach over enough spins to get into the long run.   We split winnings at some ratio to be negotiated if the play generates a net win. >>>

You get to observe a winning system first hand and up close. What does the system owner get out of this deal? If he has a winning system, he certainly doesn't need your BR. Why would anybody in their right mind do this if they have a winning system, I don't see any benefit to them whatsoever.

Hey SPIKE, since you have NOTHING constructive to add in any of the forums that you fill up with your bullshit, please stay out of my threads and stay FAR away from me.

It isn't up to you to decide what others may or may not do or may or may not benefit.

EDITED/Lanky

[curious]

The only method that will be able to answer these questions with answers that are anything but negative, is VB or some sort of advantage play.

The EV of any system that isn't in some way associated with advantage play will always be -2.7% or -5.26% because that is all math will allow for.

Yes, I assume that anyone who claims to be  a long term winner is an advantage player.

@ Spike >>  If somebody were to answer curious' questions, and then take him up on the offer by doing it in front of him in a casino he would certainly witness a winning method, but that in no way would immediately make him capable of doing it himself.

I don't want to learn their method, I want to bankroll their play. I thought that was obvious.  Two ways to be an advantage player, learn an advantage method yourself or bankroll another advantage player's play.

[Marven]

Hi curious,

Hey SPIKE, since you have NOTHING constructive to add in any of the forums that you fill up with your bullshit, please stay out of my threads and stay FAR away from me.

It isn't up to you to decide what others may or may not do or may or may not benefit.

EDITED/Lanky

I don't see anything abusive in Spike's post so let's tone the language down please.

Thank you.

[curious]

Hi curious,

I don't see anything abusive in Spike's post so let's tone the language down please.

Thank you.

Is there an ignore feature on this site?

[Spike]

I don't want to learn their method, I want to bankroll their play. I thought that was obvious.>>>

Not obvious at all. Heres what you said:

"I will bankroll play of your approach over enough spins to get into the long run."

What in gods name does getting into the 'long run' have to do with just bankrolling someone? Thats what you say when you want to observe their system. If all you're interested in is money, you say 'you will play long enough to make the agreed to amount of profit', which could take an hour, or 3 hours, whatever. It most certainly would never get into the 'long run'. Whats the point of even mentioning it? If you were my client, I wouldn't even let you watch me play.

[Mr J]

Just so I understand this. The offer is mainly for someone who is winning on paper, testing at home (doing well), whatever you wish to call it. If you came to Milwaukee, what do I get in return??  It cant be your money, I dont need it.  Ken

[Spike]

what do I get in return?? >>>

I would do it if he paid for a round trip ticket to Vegas. I would get 5K on Mon night and would hand him back 10K on Tue night. He can't watch me play and if I could avoid meeting him I could. I would triple the 5K and would do for a free trip to Vegas. Other than a deal like that, I'm not interested.

[Spike]

Not interested? Its the best deal you'll get..

[curious]

Just so I understand this. The offer is mainly for someone who is winning on paper, testing at home (doing well), whatever you wish to call it. If you came to Milwaukee, what do I get in return??  It cant be your money, I dont need it.  Ken

I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear.  There are people on the forum who claim to be long term winners.  You can't win $$ on paper so that rules out people who only play on paper.

The offer is that I will bankroll the person's play and we will split the winnings.    I thought that was pretty clear.

I don't need money either but if someone offered to bankroll my play at blackjack I would take it if the bank was big enough.

Not sure what else I can tell you.

[curious]

I don't want to learn their method, I want to bankroll their play. I thought that was obvious.>>>

Not obvious at all. Heres what you said:

"I will bankroll play of your approach over enough spins to get into the long run."

What in gods name does getting into the 'long run' have to do with just bankrolling someone? Thats what you say when you want to observe their system. If all you're interested in is money, you say 'you will play long enough to make the agreed to amount of profit', which could take an hour, or 3 hours, whatever. It most certainly would never get into the 'long run'. Whats the point of even mentioning it? If you were my client, I wouldn't even let you watch me play.

Please stop filling up my threads with your bullshit.

Anyone who knows anything about advantage play knows that for any approach that is backed up by theory it is possible to calculate the number of trials to get into the long run.  Since you don't know anything about advantage play you don't know this, hence your confusion.

It's my challenge I will phrase it the way I want to.  If you have a problem with that then you create your own challenge and feel free to phrase it however you want.

One, I would never be your client since you are an idiot and a  liar, and two I have no interest in watching you play since I don't like to watch people lose.

Since you are not an advantage player and don't have an approach that can meet the criteria of my challenge then you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread so please leave me the f**k alone.

[curious]

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