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Twocat,

Your world is small becaue you don't travel much.  I have been all through New Mexico and throughout the US.  I found several roulette wheels in New Mexico.  As a matter of fact I just got back from there last week.  I went on a roadtrip throughout Colorado, New Mexico, and Parts of Nevada to find new wheels.  There are so many wheels here in the US.  

There's far more than just 30 Indian Casinos with roulette.  By the way, the Mohegan Sun (Indian Casino) and it's three main casinos The Earth, Sky, and Wind have just over 32 wheels alone.  That's in just one building in Conn.  

Mohegan Sun, Fox Woods, Casino Omaha, Ameristar Omaha, Harrahs Omaha, Harrahs Topeka, Golden Eagle Horton, Sac and Fox Horton, Sadia New Mexico, Casino Niagra, Acomo Sky City Casino, Route 66 Casino, San Felipe Pueblo,Camel Rock Sante Fe,  Santa Ana Star Sante Fe, Isleta Casino,  Buffalo Thunder Rock, Ohkay Casino Resort,  Dancing Eagle, Fire Rock, Apache Nugget, Taos Mountain, Isleta Palace, Santa Claran, Winna Vegas Iowa,
Harrahs Casino Juiliet, Grand Victoria Juiliet, Para Dice, New Jumers, Horseshoe Hammond...

These are just some of the Indian casinos that have roulette.  There are far more than this.

VB is more effective on some wheels than on others.  VB is an attack on the predictability of the gaming device.  

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Twocat,

Your world is small becaue you don't travel much.  

This requires a thread of its own.

Sam
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BerlinerBruce , if any device produces a well formed and continuous form of random events, like spins in Roulette, then the process is irrelevant as long as the random results are all that is to be considered as the end product. The issue is not that physics might be perfected as a tool in order to attempt to defeat the process. The issue is that randomness itself can be defeated.

Randomness can be defeated in spite of the odds that tend to favor the effort being offered by most casinos. The house edge is only a tax for spending time placing bets. The point is to defeat randomness in a way that pays far more than that tax.

I don't intend to educate you or anyone else that asks me to prove anything to them. A beggar that also thinks he can guess where a ball will stop is too foolish to ever get respect. In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?

I'm keeping it to myself. You can go ahead and prove it to the world. I won't think any higher of you when you do succeed and inadvertently get banned from casinos for having an advantage. But until that day comes you can't prove a load of stuff.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE RITZ TEAM???????

The guy that was involved in it N.T./sorry no full names/from Dubrovnik,Croatia,have seen im in action
in casino Admirall Coll.--Znojmo Chech.few years back....have been banned from all European casinos,and
the last I hear from him is from Kasahstan.O yes he travels around looking only for one type of ball,and when he finds it,he first observes it for night or two then he attacks.Seen him in action several times and he never lost.
......................................................................................Iboba

Bo0Merang

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just a little question  for guys which  regulary playng in land based casinos.   do  you  see anyone been banned for their winnings ??? i never seen that even  guy on  table been up to 20 g  so what make s casino bann some members orr where is  that lane which cant  be  jumped??? it is player style orr winning up 10 000 orr what  ever  i thing this is good question

Herb

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Players don't really get banned for winning too much money.  They get banned for winning too many units.  It's usually because they are playing and winning too far above the theoretical long term expectation. 

The longer the advantage player stays at a table, the farther he moves away from expectation.
 

It's very tempting for an advantage player to try and win 300 units or more during a session.  Unfortunately regularly winning this much will get your comps frozen and can get you banned.

You can get a copy of your play history in some casinos.  On this page it will show your win/loss and what the theoretical is and how far away from this number you are in terms of standard deviation.

If you're not an advantage player, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.  If you are an advantage player, then spread it around and keep it believable.


-Herb

iboba

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You will never be banned while playing,but next time you come
in the same casino they tell you at the entrance.
That's why you never actually see it happened.......Iboba 8) 8)

Bo0Merang

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Herb  thank s for response  im  just not  a totall donkey  but  there is  one  more what ???? if the advantage player  winning lets  say  a good winning they will  start  call   NMB more  early  this is 1st point  the  other thinks how you orr any  other advantage  player can make  big  bucks  if there  tables most of  tables  i dont talk about hi rollers tables -normaly have 25 per number so if  you  want catch 100 per  number  u need to put 4 chips arround nearly  every  number now  most of adwantage players  betting 4 - 8 numbers some i see it  even  10 numbers -------- Iboba  the same thing with  Rits trio i heard  from other  hends that  Cro,man hungarien  girl and one  more person  they  was play  with  some device and even  that  they make 1 mill ???  i feel that there something  missing orr i do  not  have good imagination ))))))))) 

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You will never be banned while playing,but next time you come
in the same casino they tell you at the entrance.
That's why you never actually see it happened.......Iboba 8) 8)
well  this  is  wery  acceptable response  Iboba  now  i get  it  :good:

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In one instance I have had a letter arrive on my doorstep within 48 hours telling me that I was no longer welcome as a member or a guest. They do not give you a proper reason. The closest I have ever got to near the truth was that my business was of an uneconomical nature.  :biggrin:
If I wanted to donate money, I would give it to charity, not those greedy parasites, this does not mean that they don't wipe out my trip bankroll now and again.  Nobody wins every session, I don't care what system you got.
Herb is right, when they see how you win as opposed to how much you win, that is when they start looking into your play. Sometimes they don't like what they see  :lol: :lol:

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By the way, they can ban you while you are playing.

Also, in certain cities like AC, they can't ban you for winning.

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By the way, they can ban you while you are playing.

Also, in certain cities like AC, they can't ban you for winning.

What qualifies a "certain city" pls ?


thanking you in advance.....
"He's NOT the roulette Messiah.... He's a VERY naughty boy......"
Terry Jones talking about Gizmo in the outtakes from the Life of Brian DVD "Director's Cut"

berlinerbruce

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Herb  thank s for response  im  just not  a totall donkey  but  there is  one  more what ???? if the advantage player  winning lets  say  a good winning they will  start  call   NMB more  early  this is 1st point  the  other thinks how you orr any  other advantage  player can make  big  bucks  if there  tables most of  tables  I dont talk about hi rollers tables -normaly have 25 per number so if  you  want catch 100 per  number  u need to put 4 chips arround nearly  every  number now  most of adwantage players  betting 4 - 8 numbers some I see it  even  10 numbers -------- Iboba  the same thing with  Rits trio I heard  from other  hends that  Cro,man hungarien  girl and one  more person  they  was play  with  some device and even  that  they make 1 mill ???  I feel that there something  missing orr I do  not  have good imagination )))))))))

Hi Boomerang,,

no your imagination is working just fine

you see there wasnt REALLY anything that unusal just the sum that they walked with

its what they satrted with ,,,they didnt use a device and they didnt have a string BR of say 20,000

now that would have been amasing,,,,you see they only trebled their BR they started off with 300.000-400.000

then actually losing a large amount one night then on next night leaving with 600.000 in total then next night they walked away with a cool 1.3 million

sorry this is not an exact discription of but lets you get the idea,,,,,,,ie if they walked in with 400 quid and two nights later walked away  with 1,300 quid we would never heard of it

ok just though id let you guys know

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As Nathan Detroit is fond of saying, If you want to win big, then take in big.
Once casino checked the tape, they would have known in 2 minutes what the game was about. I once used a type of device in a casino and had it out on the table  :dance1:
I cashed in for 60 euro. After about 20 minutes of this nice dealer spinning in my few numbers almost every spin I was up to about 450 euro. The pit boss was on the phone and within 5 minutes, 3 management were standing very close to the action watching me play.  I just ignored them and kept on playing  8)
I got the money up to about about 750 when one of the managers asked me to put the device in my pocket and that I could not use it at the table. So I did as he said and cashed in.
Just to wind them up and this is 100% true, when that dealer came back to the same table about 90 minutes later I casually strolled over and all of a sudden he got replaced by a young female dealer.

My little device was only a clever way to pick up on dealers signature and it worked really well that night but if they are going to do that for a few hundred then imagine what they are going to be like when you are bringing 400k to the party  :swoon:
I never heard anymore about it after that night but you can be sure they were watching out for me.

iboba

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Hi Boomerang,,

no your imagination is working just fine

you see there wasnt REALLY anything that unusal just the sum that they walked with

its what they satrted with ,,,they didnt use a device and they didnt have a string BR of say 20,000

now that would have been amasing,,,,you see they only trebled their BR they started off with 300.000-400.000

then actually losing a large amount one night then on next night leaving with 600.000 in total then next night they walked away with a cool 1.3 million

sorry this is not an exact discription of but lets you get the idea,,,,,,,ie if they walked in with 400 quid and two nights later walked away  with 1,300 quid we would never heard of it

ok just though id let you guys know


There was not any devices on Ritz team/as they where accused of it by the casino stuff,but devices
couldn't be find by the police/.....The man N.T.Croatian,needs the team/as I was one in Znojmo-Chech.few years back/
to put the chips on the high numbers/if any/while N.T.just stands beside the wheel....and a second or two before dealer pronounces;No more bets-----he puts the bets on small numbers/giving me a hint ---bet 1,bet 2,bet 3,.../and in the split second we put our bets.The man is just outstanding VB player,excelent observation,quick thinker,and never see him lose after he finds his table and the ball..............................Iboba 8) 8)

 

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