Bet Dozen to Repeat

[hermes]

I tweaked the Hammy's idea and it looks very promising. With a little luck we can stretch the progression up to 15 or more spins. When I have a little more time (Christmas eats the time) I will explain it in this thread.  I recommend to play it only on live wheels but I beat with that tweak even RNGs. Very solid idea.
Cheers Hermes

[VICLIMKS]

I tweaked the Hammy's idea and it looks very promising. With a little luck we can stretch the progression up to 15 or more spins. When I have a little more time (Christmas eats the time) I will explain it in this thread.  I recommend to play it only on live wheels but I beat with that tweak even RNGs. Very solid idea.
Cheers Hermes

Waitng for your NEW YEARs gift...........Hermes

[Number Six]

Only testing will tell.

It has been tested and it failed. There is nothing anyone can do to make it work. Progressions systems do not win...even when you're winning you're not actually winning, you're just building up a cushion to soften the blow of the inevitable losing streak.

[hammy]

It has been tested and it failed. There is nothing anyone can do to make it work. Progressions systems do not win...even when you're winning you're not actually winning, you're just building up a cushion to soften the blow of the inevitable losing streak.

Number Six,

What you are saying can be said for any system or in fact for the game of roulette generally.
Unless you are concealing the holy grail of roulette, this game cannot be beaten consistantly with any system ?
Who knows when the bad luck or losing streak will come, and how long it will last, and what damage it will bring ??
Do you hold any hope at all for roulette ? Is there anything "anyone can do to make it work" ?

[hermes]

Number Six, please give yourself a New Year resolution that you will be more positive and constructive. I guarantee you everything will change in your doomy life.
Progressions with bankroll stoploss are very intelligent decision but only if supported by solid strategy. If you bring to the casino only $200 and no master card you can lose only $200, that easy math! I didn't say it is a holy grail, did I? With flat betting our valets get also flat. Gambling is mental game. Winning is believing (in yourself).
Cheers anyway Hermes

[Number Six]

Roulette is a game involving a random process. Its limits, within the set parameters, are probable only, meaning that no matter what the worst you think you'll see, it's not even that half of it. With any mechanical trigger bet, such as following the last decision, betting the opposite of the last, waiting for a sequence of 20 numbers without a repeat then betting them etc etc, it is no different from simply betting randomly, since roulette systems are mathematically flawed and have no logic...they are an illusion, they don't change anything, they don't put anything in the player's favour and there is always a negative expectancy on every bet. What all this means is that, guranteed, you will eventually go broke. It's an unavoidable fate. It might happen very quickly, it might not happen for a while. But ultimately it will happen...yes, you never know when a losing streak will occur but when it does occur, and you're betting progressively, it will wipe out your winnings and probably your initial capital as well. Some losing streaks you can't deal with, ie you will encouter several bad losses on the trot. This is the worst that can happen, and if you can win two or even ten sessions consecutively, you can also lose ten sessions consecutively. If you play a system, you use money you don't care about losing. Systems are fun and easy to play, but none of them work. It doesn't matter about long and short term. All systems will fail, when is irrelevant because economically they are far to risky to invest real time and effort in.

In roulette the random flow has many states, for example there are periods of stable continuity or periods of rapid change. Systems tend to be designed for one specific state only, and since that state will never remain active for ever, the system fails. The bet selection relies on blind luck because, technically, the random flow will never favour it enough, hence you lose at house rate edge and you go broke.

Winning has nothing to do with believing in yourself. It's not a mental game at all - you either have a winning bet or you don't, this can be proved or disproved easily. There is no use in pretending that thinking positive will guide you to riches. No progression or money management scheme can cement together a system that is fundamentally flawed.

[hammy]

Number six,

Fair enough ! , I agree with most of what you say.

I take it that you do not play roulette ?

[bombus]

Number Six,

I take it that you do not play roulette ?

He once asked me to lend him some money to play, but I said sorry I already lost it all... So, no he don't play.

[Number Six]

Yes, I just don't use systems with a "mechanical betting procedure"

I managed to scrounge a measly BR by diving down the sides of the sofa.

[No More Bets]

Roulette is a game involving a random process.  Its limits, within the set parameters, are probable only, meaning that no matter what the worst you think you'll see, it's not even that half of it.  With any mechanical trigger bet, such as following the last decision, betting the opposite of the last, waiting for a sequence of 20 numbers without a repeat then betting them etc etc, it is no different from simply betting randomly, since roulette systems are mathematically flawed and have no logic. . . they are an illusion, they don't change anything, they don't put anything in the player's favour and there is always a negative expectancy on every bet.  What all this means is that, guranteed, you will eventually go broke.  It's an unavoidable fate.  It might happen very quickly, it might not happen for a while.  But ultimately it will happen. . . yes, you never know when a losing streak will occur but when it does occur, and you're betting progressively, it will wipe out your winnings and probably your initial capital as well.  Some losing streaks you can't deal with, ie you will encouter several bad losses on the trot.  This is the worst that can happen, and if you can win two or even ten sessions consecutively, you can also lose ten sessions consecutively.  If you play a system, you use money you don't care about losing.  Systems are fun and easy to play, but none of them work.  It doesn't matter about long and short term.  All systems will fail, when is irrelevant because economically they are far to risky to invest real time and effort in.

In roulette the random flow has many states, for example there are periods of stable continuity or periods of rapid change.  Systems tend to be designed for one specific state only, and since that state will never remain active for ever, the system fails.  The bet selection relies on blind luck because, technically, the random flow will never favour it enough, hence you lose at house rate edge and you go broke. 

Winning has nothing to do with believing in yourself.  It's not a mental game at all - you either have a winning bet or you don't, this can be proved or disproved easily.  There is no use in pretending that thinking positive will guide you to riches.  No progression or money management scheme can cement together a system that is fundamentally flawed.

Another excellent post from Number Six.

99. 999999 % correct.

The point is you cannot bet everything, but you can bet something. 

The secret is not letting what you can't bet interfere with what you can bet.

Oops, I've said too much.      /. \

[hermes]

Gambling is controlled random game, especially ball games. The mechanical games like BJ and Baccarat are not random because there is a known 8 decks of cards, it is not endless (not electronic shuffling!)
The more we open our mind to possibilities the more we will get. That's called winning is believing in yourself. When we close the door to all possibilities we get tunnel vision, and many already have! For me the sun shine every day, even during rain.
Open a Pessimistic Club and be a director.
Hermes

[hermes]

OK, here it is. The dozens and columns are half way antagonists and half way protagonists what we can use to smoother our progression at extreme times.
The progression is from Wiztek: 1-1-2-3-4-6-8-13-20-30-45-68-104 (12 step - 305 units).
If you reach plus or zero result from bet you don't rise the progression, only if there is a loss of bet. Short example:
     dozen  column
#   1-2-3   I-II-III   is   get   +/-   total
21     O            O    -     -       -       -
30     1 O         1    2    3      +1     +1
2    O    1      O 1    2    0      - 2     - 1
16  2 O      O 2       4    6      +2     +1
4    O 1      1          2    3      +1      +2    
31  1    O   1          2    3      +1      +3  
8    O    1   1 O       2   0       -2      +1
25  2    O   2          4    6      +2     +3
34        2   1          3    9      +6      +9
11  O    1   1 O      2    0       -2      +7
16  1 O      O 1       2    0      -2      +5
28     2 O   2          4    6      +2     +7
17     O 3   1 O      4    0       -4     +3
23     4         1       5    15    +10   +13
5    O 1         1       2    3      +1     +14
32  1    O      1       2    3      +1     +15
26        1      1       2    4      +2     +17
24    O 1      1 O    2   0       -2      +15
1   O 2      O   2     4   0      -4       +11
17 3 O      3 O       6   0      -6       +7
35    4 O      4       8   12    +4       +11
29       4      1        5   12   +7       +18
That's just short idea about the progression. We rise the progression only if bet lost. With those delays in rising the progression we can overstand even 15 chops. It is difficult to chart it here. There will be mishaps in lines. O means what D/C hits, the numbers are where we bet and win if hit.
Happy New Year 2010 to all.
Hermes



       

[No More Bets]

Gambling is controlled random game, especially ball games.  The mechanical games like BJ and Baccarat are not random because there is a known 8 decks of cards, it is not endless

New Year, same old pants progression.

Luckily, you wont LOSE any more money in 2009.

The outlook for your 'system' in 2010 however is GUARANTEED pessimistic.

Sorry to burst your bubble. . .

[bikemotorman]

I played yesterday for a while playing.


Last column
Last dozen
On and on but I used a very long progression it worked pretty well.

5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70

I saw losses 7 times in row but I knew they where coming when you play my way
LWC
LWD
LWC
LWD

You can expect to play virtual for half the time.

Just a thought.

Stuart

[hermes]

NMB that's your bubble, burst it and get out otherwise you suffocate. It would be pity to lose so constructive brain.
Biky, the progression is very expensive (525 units) that one from Wiztek is cheaper and very good. What about to play your way and when you lose bet turn to Hammy's strategy to bet against the chops until you win? Or wait for 2 -3 virtual losses as a trigger to bet. You could start to play with smaller bankroll and when sometimes in blue moon the loss occurs it will not hurt a much.
Cheers Hermes

[hermes]

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