My meeting with Twocando at the casino

[Jakkalsdraai]

Pins, what you are saying is that I am lying. I guess it is impossible for me to proove what happened this past weekend. I also know that there are people around these forums that truly know absolutely nothing and only have negative stuff to say simply because they need the attention and they try to get a reaction......which I guess you succeeded with....... again. So congratulations on that then. Now personally I cannot give a flying F about what you believe and what you don't believe. I have this sickening feeling that you are typically the type of guy that will always say the opposite of what everyone else is saying. Why? Same reasons I mentioned above.

Now I did not put this post here because there is anything to sell from me or TCD. Guys that know me around here will vouch for me. I don't roll that way. Neither does TCD. I simply posted this as a report of my meeting with TCD (my first.....but not last) and what had happened at that meeting. The fun and enjoyment just came naturally! Anyone that has spoken to or corresponded with TCD will tell you that he only tries to help. He never asks anything from anyone.

So Pins, believe what you like but the whole story as I told it is pretty damn accurate except for the part where I had to leave the table for a visit to the porcylin motorcycle.........

[Noble Savage]

Sector shooting can be done on a tilted wheel. That's why I asked Jakk if the wheel was tilted (or at least semi tilted).

What I like about Twocando is that he takes advantage of the game device in his own methods (dealer influence, pocket/fret influence, etc), creating a hybrid sort of method. Unlike nearly 100% of systems on this forum which are only variations of useless classical systems and progressions.

[A3on47]

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Play a system till in profit then play another system. keep changing systems then they are F*****d.
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What I like about Twocando is that he takes advantage of the game device in his own methods (dealer influence, pocket/fret influence, etc), creating a hybrid sort of method. Unlike nearly 100% of systems on this forum which are only variations of useless classical systems and progressions.

The most clever way to play.
Just keep changing your strategy along the game... don't follow a classical system with very strict rules.
Nothing is perfect all the time, so why don't take advantage of different systems to his own way of play  That's why TCD is a winner !

Afonso - Check your system, maybe if you play it only to a clockwise ball movement or just left hand table. Look for what is it that cause a system to lose.

Thanks for have my topic in consideration
I'm out of ideas, as I was about to quit roulette. This story have come just in the right time
Thanks for the inspiration Jakkalsdraai and TCD. I know that there will be some haters as always... well they are just pissed of and jealous 

I will keep this topic very close to me, as maybe it will be some sort of inspiration for a new system and ideas.
Maybe TCD will teach us something more ...  

Best regards,
Afonso

[balint]

*Just keep changing your strategy along the game... don't follow a classical system with very strict rules.*
I agree with that, it s how i do play,change strategys (systems)and  use/ hunt LW patterns from each  strategy,
bet at the right time.

[pins]

i am saying the dealer has no control over where the ball will land. 

[A3on47]

I am saying the dealer has no control over where the ball will land. 

Sorry, but I've to discord with you.
Most of the dealers don't have any control over the ball, but there are a few capable dealers that can shoot the ball to a 2/3 numbers sector

Regards,
Afonso

[GARNabby]

I'd be interested to know how Twocando escapes universal fluctuation. Or how/why he thinks it doesn't apply to his system? This is a serious question. Will I get a serious answer? Probably not.

Six,

Don't hold your breath waiting.

What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time... only to continue "losing it all back"?  Persons who all the while are becoming ever-more convinced of their own "legend"?  Sort of like a Gambler's Anonymous in reverse, "spurring" each other on.  

I don't know anything about this incident, but I do know nothing very-convincing has been presented... of the so many ways by which such could be convincingly conveyed w/o actually giving anything away about the person or his/her system.

It's like when my interest in watching sports dwindled in my teens, when I asked myself, "What are any of them guys doing for me?"

[cheese]

Never try to win more than what is played on the table.  The casino is not friendly. I was banned for 1 year from this casino.>>>

So the casino doesn't care if you win multiple $500 sessions every time you come in, as long as you never win more than is played on the table? Do you realize that makes no sense whatever? And they banned you for a year and now you're back, winning multiple $500 sessions, and they don't care? Its a giant contradiction, they ban you for winning, now you're back winning, and its OK. This is giving me a headache, I don't think I believe any of it.

I've been going to casinos for 25 years, I know people who were banned, and they were never allowed back in. If they ban you, they think you are a cheat. Why would they let you back in after a year, so you can cheat them some more?

[Noble Savage]

Not really. Casinos do use temporary bans.

If you keep winning more than you should, they WILL ban you. But you wouldn't be legally considered as "cheating". Even plain VB isn't considered cheating. Cheating is when you try to influence the outcomes of the game, or past post, etc.

[bombus]

Hey Jakk,

Nice story mate.

It is always great to meet up with good people who share a common interest.

Anyway, for me the real issue here is not roulette... stuff that!

What I'm worried about is your tone in regard to your detox efforts. It sounds like you're going to go on a de-detox binge as soon as you finish! That would be a shame, mate. You risk undoing all the positive results that will manifest over the next month or more.

Just go easy. 

[cheese]

wouldn't be legally considered as "cheating". >>>

I'm talking about how the casino views you, not the law. They consider any consistant winner as a cheat, they even refer to them that way. Card counters are listed in the Griffin Book as cheaters, when the Supreme Court of Nevada says they are not cheating at all.

[Number Six]

Jakkalsdraai, I once called you a moron. I say sorry for that because you're a VLS oldie. Now there aren't so many around. Yes, I shoot a lot of systems down because I know most of what is touted round here simply doesn't work - because it's gambler's fallacy (yeah, old maxim). I haven't given up hope that someone has cracked this oldest of games and has got a "winning system", but in honesty, it is impossible to avoid negative fluctuation. This is what kills systems. Across the board all bets are subject to the same degrees of upswings and downswings. People win and lose. Including me; it doesn't matter how many times you switch systems or when, it doesn't even matter how you play. It is there all the time. I've tried to explain this, people call me negative. Until I'm shown proof that it is possible to enjoy more upswings than downswings, it doesn't exist. Call that what you will. I'm a pragmatist. Anyway, thanks for the story. I truly enjoyed reading it and it's good to know that the forum is getting people together in person.

Twocando, I see what you're saying and it's truly refreshing to see someone actually answer a question instead of getting one's knickers in a twist LOL! The problem is, like you yourself said "there is fluctuation in fluctuation". The thing is: how do you know you're IN fluctuation? And how do you know which way it is going? Obviously when you start losing you're in a downswing. OK. Now you stop playing that particular system. Switch. How do you know you're not walking out of one downswing and straight into another? You don't. That is why it's a game of luck. I have looked at e-cart in mega detail and my conclusions are that it is useless. Unless you're exploiting some physical parameter of the game, you're not winning. You're just lucky. I believe that and I believe that is a fact. Now, you can argue otherwise. And you'd be within your rights. I would actually be inclined to entertain your arguments because you seem to know what you're talking about...but then again, I'd even entertain Mr J (in fact I do sometimes LOL!!)

[simon]

when you said the dealer could hit sections I knew it was not true.

you are so wrong.  I have played and observed roulette for over 20 years.  99% of dealers absolutely cannot hit numbers or sections and would not even try to.  however, there are dealers that absolutely can do this and I have see them do it with my own eyes, right in front of me.  when I used to go this one casino in the middle of the night when there weren't too many people around, this dealer showed me and he told me how they practiced doing it at dealer school.  in less than ten throws he hit my number for me on purpose.  it was the coolest thing I ever saw (unfortunately I could not bribe him to be my best friend and partner.)  he was actually very professional and said he basically likes to do it for fun, when he gets bored and when there's not too many people around.  I even remember he said, "well I'm sure you're good at your job, and we're good at ours," or something like that.  another time I was playing and this guy kept putting chips on the zeroes for the dealer and himself and this older dealer guy (I remember he had white hair and white beard) kept hitting the z's over and over.  it was really pissing me off because he was screwing up the system I was playing with his target shooting.  it was obvious he was staring at the wheel and deliberately releasing the ball at certain points, so the player and himself could make some money.  it made me so mad I told the dealer to stop looking at the wheel when he released the ball, because I was losing money.  I should have just bet the zeroes along with the other player but I was too set on playing my own system at the time.  the point is, it is highly unusual for a dealer to be able to target shoot a wheel or even try to, and most dealers do not even try to, but it can be done by a skillful and experienced dealer, as I have seen it done right in front of me.

[Jakkalsdraai]

To Garnabby - This is posted in the General section not the full system section. So you did not have to read it expecting a system. You didn't have to reply to the post either.....that was even a bigger waste of time to you.

To Number 6 - Not sure if it was a civilized last post or still a stab at me. Saying that you once called me a moron but BECAUSE I'm an oldie you apologised. No need to apologise then mate. I know where I stand with you now.

Cheese - Believe what you like, I couldn't care less.

Cheers
Jakk

[A3on47]

you are so wrong.  I have played and observed roulette for over 20 years.  99% of dealers absolutely cannot hit numbers or sections and would not even try to.  however, there are dealers that absolutely can do this and I have see them do it with my own eyes, right in front of me.  when I used to go this one casino in the middle of the night when there weren't too many people around, this dealer showed me and he told me how they practiced doing it at dealer school.  in less than ten throws he hit my number for me on purpose.  it was the coolest thing I ever saw (unfortunately I could not bribe him to be my best friend and partner.)  he was actually very professional and said he basically likes to do it for fun, when he gets bored and when there's not too many people around.  I even remember he said, "well I'm sure you're good at your job, and we're good at ours," or something like that.  another time I was playing and this guy kept putting chips on the zeroes for the dealer and himself and this older dealer guy (I remember he had white hair and white beard) kept hitting the z's over and over.  it was really pissing me off because he was screwing up the system I was playing with his target shooting.  it was obvious he was staring at the wheel and deliberately releasing the ball at certain points, so the player and himself could make some money.  it made me so mad I told the dealer to stop looking at the wheel when he released the ball, because I was losing money.  I should have just bet the zeroes along with the other player but I was too set on playing my own system at the time.  the point is, it is highly unusual for a dealer to be able to target shoot a wheel or even try to, and most dealers do not even try to, but it can be done by a skillful and experienced dealer, as I have seen it done right in front of me.

Finally someone that agree with me
I can say for sure that seeing a dealer able to hit numbers or sections is a rare thing, but yes they exist ! 

Regards,
Afonso

[A3on47]

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