My meeting with Twocando at the casino

[Jakkalsdraai]

Hi guys. I am hesitant to post here because of the changes here at VLS. I have however decided to report on the above heading because I think that especially for the system players out there, who want to believe that there are guys playing at casinos making cold hard cash playing only systems, this might be motivation to you.

I took leave from work for the Thursday before Easter and Left that morning 03:00 from my town via road to my destination in the Orange Free State. 12 hours later I arrived in Bloemfontein. Another hour down the road and I arrived at my destination (my wife's grandmothers' farm in Theunissen).

I decided to catch some shut eye but before that I phoned Twocando and asked him if he was up for a meeting at their local casino and if he was up for a session or two of Roulette. He was as pleasant as always on the phone and we agreed on meeting the next day at 12:00 (Friday) at the casino where he plays. 12:00pm simply because the wheels only really open at that time in this specific casino. So the meeting was set.


The next morning I left the farm at 11 and it took me nicely about an hour to get there. I walked into the casino straight to where the roulette wheels were situated. Only two wheels were open. One in the smoking area and one outside the smoking area. I walked up to the wheel in the non-smokers area and as I stopped and looked at the wheel, a gentleman came and stood next to me. We looked at each other, looked around and looked back at each other.

I asked him if he was ***** (Twocando) and he said he was. Now TCD is one helluva nice guy. He had a breast pocket full of laminated plastic cards of roulette wheels and placing mats with all kinds of systems linked to them.

TCD offered me a cup of coffee but because I'm on a forced detox I had to accept "Rooibos" tea (without sugar or milk I might add! Unlike my very boring and almost tasteless "Rooibos" Tea, my host turned out to be a different cup of tea (pardon the pun!) TCD is really a fantastic guy. We shared casino stories and then we shared strategies and methods. After about an hour or so we took on the tables. I played my latest and newest VB method whereas TCD played his systems. We both bought in for 300 bucks each on a R5 table. It wasn't long after that, and we both left with +/- 850 each. Whereas my strategy was to play 3 chips at a time and TCD played combinations of corners and streets etc.

I was truly amazed to see him in action. First of all. I will eat my old leather hat if there is anyone that know the roulette placing layout better than TCD. By that I mean he knows exactly where he is placing his bets regarding the numbers on the wheel and he does it the most effective way and the most economic way and all at absolute lightening speed. (Effective and economic - He uses streets, corners and splits) Remember, anyone can place 20 chips on the layout on streets, corners and splits. BUT every chip he places is placed there because it must be there according to his methods. So he is not a chip scatterer, no he deliberately places every chip exacly where he wants it. I could not believe the way his stacks kept getting bigger and bigger. Honestly.
, the whole time I was there it never even once looked like TCD would loose.

Now I do not know if any of you know this but TCD is a professional roulette player. Yes that means that he only plays roulette for a living and he does that every day. I do not feel that it is my business to tell you what he clears on average. What I can tell you though is that we did one session of about an hour and a half max. He made 500 profit in that time. He plays quite a few sessions a day. You do the math. So what I am telling you guys here is that you can be a professional roulette player without being a AP player.

I saw this with my own eyes. Again something that I hope TCD will not mind me sharing with you. Someone lost 100k in a session at this casino. TCD then took a week to win this guy 50k back. TCD's wife confirmed this. You guys know what this gent then did? When TCD left he went and blew the 50k on roulette trying to get back the other 50k I suppose. Needless to say TCD will not help him again. After all he is taking time away from him to make his own living. And as I saw "time" is money.

Unfortunately I had to get back to my inlaws, so we went to the bar and we had a discussion of the session that we played. TCD's lovely wife joined us (Might I add that she is just as pleasant as TCD). The three of us chatted for another hour and I had my dreary boring "Rooibos" Tea while TCD and his wife each had a delicious cold beer........the condisation drops dripping off the cold beer bottles......Man only another two weeks to go then detox is a thing of the past!

Anyway TCD then invited me in for another session but I really had to go. They walked me to my vehicle we greeted and I left. As I left and looked in the mirror I saw TCD and his wife entering the casino entrance to go and play another session. Sure the casino would of been another 500 down soon!

One more thing I have to mention here. And this I swear to you. The dealer was a black dude. Sotho tribe I'm sure.
While we were playing another black dude started playing at the table only betting the 8 numbers around 20 on the wheel. And he was betting large...really large. In no time he was up to over 8k. I told TCD that the dealer and this player were in cahoots. About 2-3 spins later TCD turned to me and said Jakk.....play 18 neighbors. I said huh!What do you mean play 18 neighbors?

TCD then said the dealer just told the other guy to play 18 neighbors but in Sotho (black language). I did not realize that TCD spoke a bit of Sotho as well! Anyhow we still were a bit sceptic but we both put a chip on 18 and neighbors. Guess what ..... 18 dropped! man I wanted to kick myself! Should of put the house on 18 neighbors! 

Anyhow it was clear that the dealer realized that we were onto them. because they stopped there game. The next spin the player placed all his chips on his 8 numbers but it was clear that the dealer wanted no more and 25 was spun..............

You would ask then howcome the dealer does not spin TCD out when he plays if sector shooting was possible.. Well TCD places half his bets after the ball is spun.

Anyhow. Thank you for an absolutely fabulous day TCD. My invitation stands when you are in my area mate. Time for you to come and withdraw from the ATM here in the Cape!

Cheers
Jakk

[A3on47]

Thanks for sharing this experience with us

I'm a system player, but lately, after all this years looking for a system that can win more than it looses, I was loosing my hope ...
This "story" really incentives me and it was like new fresh air for me!

It just makes me to work harder now, and maybe one day be like Twocando

Thanks again for sharing this with us. It was really pleasant to read and very important to me, I think this just come in right time, as I was loosing my hopes ^^

Best regards,
Afonso

[MAX]

Hi Jakk

Thanks for sharing your casino trip with TCD. 

Both of you are grate guys .



Regards
MAX

[VLS]

Inspiring!

Thanks for sharing Jakk, and kudos to you Twocando.

May the ball always be in your numbers.

Victor

[bene126]

Hi guys.Some times ago, me and twocando was chatting about his system.I know one of his system which is playing.Twocando is great man and he helped me much.I am not saying that i am playing his method because i am not sure that i understand well.I want to only said that TWOCANDO is gentleman.

[balint]

Hi all.
This is an Twocando system, I find it on full systems.
He take the two neighbors (wheel) rigt/left side from the last number ,
and :


A.  Do not  play the numbers or streets between the two numbers(on table)
    He play the others numbers remaining.( or streets)


B.  Play the numbers between  the two numbers(on table).

I never tested this system.





The Wheel Holds the next number
« on: October 08, 2009, 01:41:59 AM » Reply Quote  

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The next is not for the faint-hearted. The next numbers that can be excluded from the play are indicated by the wheel?

Yes. The numbers next to the last on the wheel will show you where you do not need to play. If the last number was 9. On the wheel next to 9 is the numbers 22 and 31. This gives us a range of numbers from 22 to 31. Street 8 to 11.

Do not play this numbers or streets for next number. If one of these numbers that was left out appears on the next. Play them to be out for the next. On a win change the numbers to the range of numbers of the last number. Some of them will be 2 numbers and others will be more up to 19 numbers that can be excluded.

10 -  Next to 10 is 5/23
11  - lost 11 come up/ between 5 to 23 reply 5 to 23 not to appear.
30  - WIN / next to 30 is 8/11
35  - WIN / next to 35 is 3/12 don't play 3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12
27  - WIN / next to 27 is 6/13 - out is 6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13
22  - WIN / next to 22 is 9/18 - out is 9.10---18
9  -  Lost replay  22 out numbers 9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18
30  - WIN / next to 30 is 8/11 out numbers 8.9.10.11
2   - win

If you wish to tweak this play, try to play only the numbers that was excluded.

Twocando

Btw  (I  think)  Twocando and Twocat(Sam) are  two different persons.
If you read posts from each one, will notice an very different style.

[JHM]

Nice story Jakk. And I think to all to us a very motivating story. I hope this isn't a dumb question, but are Twocat and Twocando the same?

[cheese]

>>Yes that means that he only plays roulette for a living and he does that every day. What I can tell you though is that we did one session of about an hour and a half max. He made 500 profit in that time. He plays quite a few sessions a day. You do the math. >>

If this is true, he plays in the friendliest casinos on Earth. No casino will stand for the same person coming in every day and taking them for thousands. Every dealer and every pit person in every casino he plays in would soon know him immediately. Like I read the other day, its a casinos job to find where the leaks are and plug them. He would be long gone is a short period of time. This story is very nice, but there are some things in it that I just don't believe, sorry.

[VLS]

are Twocat and Twocando the same?

Hello there dear JHM,

Twocando = South africa player.

TwoCatSam = US-based player.

Not the same!

Cheers.

[Number Six]

I'd be interested to know how Twocando escapes universal fluctuation. Or how/why he thinks it doesn't apply to his system? This is a serious question. Will I get a serious answer? Probably not.

[Noble Savage]

Nice story Jakk, thanks for sharing.

Question: Was that wheel tilted/semi-tilted, or level?

[Jakkalsdraai]

@ Stackbundles,

lol  yeah mate the naysayers unfortunately has been and will be a permanent feature of this forum. To them I can only say that this is what happened. Maybe in your parts of the world players are banned for winning but not here. Or not as yet anyway.

So Cheese, I understand if you do not wish to believe me but seriously that is your problem not mine. I am a staright shooter and say it the way it is.

@ Jordan

Twocando places quarter to half of his bets after the ball is spun. No he did not play VB.

@ No.6


TCD plays various systems. He alternates between them. His systems are truly different from your avaerage system around.


For instance I showd him a system a while back. He is using that system as well after he panel beated and changed it to suit him. I know you like to shoot systems down. I'm telling you though that TCD has found his own way to beat the wheel. What more can I say? You ask why his systems are not prone to universal fluctuation. Well I guess he changes with the wheel. I'm not a guy for the technical stuff and terms. Sometimes I think that people overthink things and end up stumbling over technical words and over analysis. Maybe roulette is simpler than you think.

Anyway like I have said. The man makes a living off roulette. That is something I would not like to attempt just yet. Maybe soon though.

Kind regards
Jakk

[pins]

when you said the dealer could hit sections i knew it was not true.

[Twocando]

Hi Mates

Thanks Jakk. Die was baie lekker om jou te ontmoet het. Ons sal by jou 'n draai maak, jou VB werk baie goed.

I will try to explain and answer the questions in the comments.  LIFO - Nu6. The systems that I play use the fluctuation and never did I or Jakk said that it doesn't apply. Any system can be a good system if you apply the universal fluctuation to the system. meaning that if the system works, it must go to the wrong. The opposite of the expectation/system. One need to look at what is happening and then use the E-cart to the system. There is no system that will win and win .. on its own nor will it just lose. If I were to tell you that the ball will always land to the left from the last number, with in 18 numbers. You may then say its impossible because of the fluctuation. This means that it will also never just go to the right of the last number. Because of fluctuation there will be a ever changing of movement, right? But it will also never be  left, right, left , right from the last number.  So there will be fluctuation in the fluctuation, if its not there then the fluctuation needs to be constant. What is causing this fluctuations may give you the answer to the play of the system. The ball in the pocket of the number can never change itself. Only the dealer and the energy from the movement with the next spin can either repeat the fluctuation or change it.  Even the hitting of the scatters. Next time just look and see how many times the ball enters the numbers without hitting a diamond, landing in the half of the wheel to the predicted area.

Cheese, you can believe what you want. Just one thing, when one wins on roulette do you take the money from the casino or from the other players on the table? Never try to win more than what is played on the table. Don't even try to play 1 on 1 with a table. The casino is not friendly. I was banned for 1 year from this casino. Its 5 minute drive from my house. The banned was for something I told the black dude, because he could not keep the ball in the wheel. You right the dealers and pb's do try to plug the system players but they are not to cleaver. Play a system till in profit then play another system. keep changing systems then they are F*****d.

Jordan27 - Yes, I did looked into the wheel and maybe Jakk can tell you about the lose frets on this wheel. Sectors to repeat like a dream.

Balint - You do not need to play it just check it out then you will see - Rule 1 on this is FLUCTUATION. Rule 2 there needs to be a constant movement with the distances between the numbers.

Bene126 - Or may I say Mr T. - Mate Keep on to practise. Thanks for the PM, I will reply on it.

Afonso - Check your system, maybe if you play it only to a clockwise ball movement or just left hand table. Look for what is it that cause a system to lose.



TCD  not Twocat, I've got a bull Terrier, black and no cats around. I do like cats but not Dozer. (bulldozer)

[JHM]

Twocondo, I have a question. Where I live I noticed this in the casino's (all owned by the state, private casino's are not allowed).

The dealer always picks the ball out of the pocket, than spins the wheel and let it go 1-2 sec (never releases from the last pocket). And than spins the ball clockwise, next spin counterclockwise. So you never know from what pocket the ball is released and they never spin in 1 direction. Can your strategy than still be played?

Thank you for helping us out, it's really nice to read a true winner with casino experience.

JHM

[JHM]

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