The old VLS is dead.

[Noble Savage]

I.e. Put up or shut the hell up.

And don't you two convince yourselves that you are sharing anything. All you are sharing is your arrogant claims and silly oxymorons.

Reading randomness is never predictable.

So "reading randomness" (lol) gives 0% predictability as to what will happen next. And YET, you two win consistently, flat betting. (I.e. masse égale, I.e. sandwich)

Of course you do.

[Number Six]

What I don't get with Spike and Gizmotron is that they claim to have these great secrets, which they will keep tight to their chests until they die, at which point the secrets go to the grave with them. Every argument to rebuke their claims is logical, yet they can't offer a logical counter-argument other than "you just haven't figured it out". Who NEEDS to? Who wants to spend 35 years studying randomness like Gizmotron apparently did? In the grand scheme of things it is a chronic waste and a clear symptom of addiction.

So what is the purpose of bringing the existence of these secrets into the public domain at all? Why even bother? Surely you're supposed to be protecting your secrets and yourselves. For all the abuse you get on GG, the constant challenges that you evade, the overwhelming evidence that you are pulling everyone's legs, why don't you just simply disappear and enjoy the fruits of your discoveries? Is it really worth posting on forums?

Spike, I don't get why you came back here. After you got banned you spent months mercilessly slating VLS, the owner, the moderators, the whole membership. Yet you begged Steve to be allowed back. It seems that Snowman pulled the carpet from beneath your feet at GG, but VLS is obviously way below you since no one here knows what they are talking about. So what gives?

I have to say I agree with Noble Savage. Most of your posts are about how good you are. There really isn't anything else to them. I'm surprised people even bother replying to you any more.

[gizmotron]

The very notion of "reading random" is an oxymoron.

The burden of proof is on those who make the claims.

You have failed to kill the concept. All you are attempting is to theorize that it does not exist.

BTW, where is the rule book for begging? What page number says that "The burden of proof is on those who make the claims." ?

When I see people that can't read randomness, that think that it is about changing the odds, that have no idea what the characteristics of randomness are, then I tell myself that I don't need to take orders from these same kinds of people.

In your case it gets almost to the point of absurdity, "The very notion of "reading random" is an oxymoron." I would say that you don't even have a syntax to begin with.  It must be hard attempting to describe something that you have no idea what it might be. Isn't taking advice from the blind person a poor idea if you plan on reading a map in order to get there? You are lost in the dark. There is nothing that you can suggest that should make sense. Perhaps you might bump into it by accident.

[gizmotron]

I.e. Put up or shut the hell up.

And don't you two convince yourselves that you are sharing anything. All you are sharing is your arrogant claims and silly oxymorons.

So "reading randomness" (lol) gives 0% predictability as to what will happen next. And YET, you two win consistently, flat betting. (I.e. masse égale, I.e. sandwich)

Of course you do.

OMG, you can't tolerate somebody that admits to having a working method but that same person won't hold your hand and drag you to understanding it. That's right. Those who can owe you a living.

The way I see it is that you need to try something far more persuasive like telling me all the wonderful philanthropic things that you intend to do once you are very rich. Try laying a guilt trip on me. That might work.

Whaaah, prove it or shut up, whaaah. Someday you will know that you were the crybaby in all this.

[gizmotron]

So what is the purpose of bringing the existence of these secrets into the public domain at all? Why even bother? Surely you're supposed to be protecting your secrets and yourselves. For all the abuse you get on GG, the constant challenges that you evade, the overwhelming evidence that you are pulling everyone's legs, why don't you just simply disappear and enjoy the fruits of your discoveries? Is it really worth posting on forums?

There is no better amusement than to tell the Flat Earthers that the world is round. So many clues have been dropped over the past two years that it is completely there and exposed to those that begin to see it. And they have. The purpose is to let those that get it to know that it must be protected from the lazy ones that would wreck it. If you earn the right to understand this then keep it to yourself or the casinos will shut it down. You earned it on your own. Let Spike's example of keeping it to himself show you how to resist the poor and unfortunate ones. They are just beggars. They don't want to do the work needed. Even when they say they did the work they really just made the same mistakes for all that time. They admit that. This is not charity. They will never respect something given to them on a platter. They will wreck everything. In fact I'm sure that that is all they think about it. They must be angry for it being held from them. It's just human nature. To bad too. If they could be trusted they might get some help.  No way though. Don't wise up the chumps.

[Noble Savage]

Don't flatter yourself Gizmo.

No body here is "begging" you for your imaginary goldmine. (oh and FYI, nobody learned and discovered anything from your and Spike's "clues" either)

I only wish we could play together at a real table and a real dealer with the forum watching. Just me and you, and maybe Spike, Snowman, Kelly, Laurence, Lucky Strike...

Then we'd see who the real players are and who aren't.

Until that happens, all your bragging and self-flattering in forums mean absolutely nothing.

[gizmotron]

Oh I bothered, probably more than anyone here did.

I am not a math academic (I only know what I need to know, and what I do know I taught myself). I like out-of-the-box thinking and I did investigate possibilities for "reading randomness". I even looked into some chaos theory and tested more approaches than I cared to count. Trends, dominances, pattern-mining, ecarts, correction, law of the third, law of averages, binomial distribution, moving averages, stochastic oscillators, subjective non-rule-based guessing, staking-plans (which I investigated for a while as well), you name it.

Wrong again. "Until that happens, all your bragging and self-flattering in forums mean absolutely nothing."

It means nothing to you you mean. Did it ever occur to you that I might have long ago accepted the fact that there would be those that try for a while and give up. That those people would become angry and blame others for what they didn't figure out. You have no idea how to read randomness yet you make these unsubstantiated statements. It's you that is wasting my time.

[Noble Savage]

It means nothing to you you mean.

No. Thinking 1+1=2 or the sky is blue is not my "opinion".

[sherminator]

"I only wish we could play together at a real table and a real dealer with the forum watching. Just me and you, and maybe Spike, Snowman, Kelly, Laurence, Lucky Strike..."

That would be fun.  I would imagine Gizmotron and Spike could pick out any table and do their stuff, how long would it take the VB guys to find a suitable table?

Actually, I am not really anti VB, but it is not something that you can just apply to almost any wheel you may come across.  You could put me in front of any B+M casino roulette wheel or fair live online wheel and I can play my game.

So it seems to me that a lot of VB is hyped up the same as card counting was. A lot of talk about it, but not a lot of action.  Finding the right conditions and having countermeasures applied is all time consuming and time is money.

I am certainly not envious of any VB players. In fact, if several VB players knew what some discreet AP people know, it is them who would be envious.

[gizmotron]

No. Thinking 1+1=2 or the sky is blue is not my "opinion".

Things like that might be fact but that does not make your opinion of reading randomness informative. You hold a groundless position in all this. Just because you have not been tutored to your satisfaction does not mean you get to make up factless opinion. I mean you can all you want to but it's worthless opinion. You just can't get anyone but other losers to believe it. That's the ground you hold.

[Noble Savage]

That would be fun.

It sure would.

Spike and Gizmo would chicken out of it with some excuse though. They're good at that.

[Number Six]

They will never respect something given to them on a platter.

My question is: why even allude to the existence of the platter in the first place - especially here? Most members of VLS cannot even begin to comprehend what you are talking about. Some of them even think random is non-random. They don't understand the difference between a characteristic and a coincidence. Ironically, it is the advantage players who understand you best since it is they who have tended to do the most research into the game, have the most knowledge of randomness and so can relate best to the concept of what you claim to do.

Not many people are inclined to accept your claims and in fact the majority simple aren't interested anyway - that is their prerogative, right? You owe them nothing and they in turn don't owe you a real attempt to follow in your footsteps because you have never proved anything. So what do you get out of trying to convince the masses that you have something powerful? And now you have another "stalker" Sherminator. Still, all your words are basically cheap. I could drop hints for 10 years about how I built my own TARDIS but it would essentially be pointless. In fact I'll just nip into the future to see how long you and Spike and your new puppy keep stomping over this old ground.

[sherminator]

@ number six,

I have enjoyed reading Gizmotron and Spikes posts for ages. They are a rare breed in the fact that they don't
suck up to anybody looking for anything. Why do you think that is?

I try not to read the negative posters and I soon work out who still has the L plates on.

It is a case of sifting through the dirt to find anything that can get me to think.

Ultimately, I do this for myself. You are just another faceless poster who seems to have plenty of spare time on their hands.

[Noble Savage]

Number 6 is spot on.

[gizmotron]

It is a case of sifting through the dirt to find anything that can get me to think.

I learned from Spike. I needed to take what I already knew and to focus it strictly on EC's and flat betting. I had extensive experience with hot number guessing. Spike gave it a name. He pointed me in a direction that rapidly became what I know now. I took it and spread it out into everything. Funny thing though. It's better to stick to the EC's. You can take any bet selection premise and use it to track the randomness of effectiveness. In other words you can read effectiveness. Only experienced players are going to know how to deal with that.

[gizmotron]

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