Short Term Data

[Spike!]

I haven't read Ellisons book, just seen a few quotes from it. Like any book, take what you can use and disregard the rest. He has some real insights and he sure as heck is smart enough to keep the real good stuff to himself. He's not going to sell a Grail for 14.95, but he might give you a taste.

[gizmotron]

That would be challenging and fun.

I'm 22 by the way.

I'm 58 with heart failure. You really need to fill your cup while you can. I mastered mountain climbing, big mountain skiing, SCUBA diving, wind surfing, piloting aircraft, golfing, Karate, fishing, as well as computer programming, artist management, recording studio operation and design, lead guitar playing, exotic custom housing construction, almost all the trades in construction. I also volunteered for years working with kids. Now add to that 35 years of actual in casino playing experience. I have thousands of cards filled out from charting actual play from my own sessions. It's always been my money on the line.

[Noble Savage]

I'm 58 with heart failure. You really need to fill your cup while you can. I mastered mountain climbing, big mountain skiing, SCUBA diving, wind surfing, piloting aircraft, golfing, Karate, fishing, as well as computer programming, artist management, recording studio operation and design, lead guitar playing, exotic custom housing construction, almost all the trades in construction. I also volunteered for years working with kids. Now add to that 35 years of actual in casino playing experience. I have thousands of cards filled out from charting actual play from my own sessions. It's always been my money on the line.

That's pretty amazing. Thanks for the advice.

I haven't read Ellisons book, just seen a few quotes from it. Like any book, take what you can use and disregard the rest. He has some real insights and he sure as heck is smart enough to keep the real good stuff to himself. He's not going to sell a Grail for 14.95, but he might give you a taste.

I wouldn't assume he has any Grail, but anyway.

[Spike!]

I find it facinating that myself, Gizmo, an RD Ellison all arrived at reading random independently. I never read any of Ellisons books, the only roulette books I have are on VB.

This jumps off the page: "The real art lies in the ability to read the data that is constantly streaming from the table."
How many times has Snowman/Herb said to me 'If reading random workd so well, how come nobody has written about it?' What do you say now, Herb, there it is in black and white, from a respected roulette author. Am I still full of it, Herb? Checkmate! LOL!!!!

[Spike!]

More from Ellison:

'A careful analysis of the past table decisions enables the player to foretell future table results with enough precision to reverse the house edge. This in turn enables him to win more than the math of the game would otherwise allow.' and   'the game of roulette has been transformed from a game of chance, to a game of skill.' and
'The root problem in all other systems is their one-size-fits-all approach, which pays no heed to the inclination of the table.'

My god, I have been saying this stuff on GG for years, practically word for word, and all I ever got is ridicule and laughter. Figuring out how to read the random changes the house math and throws it out the window. The casino is now playing your game, instead of you playing theirs. Systems don't work because they ignore what the current random is telling them. Put that in your corncob pipe and smoke it, Snowman.

[MiniBaccarat]

G'day,

I can't read random, but as I've said MANY times, I wish I could & I DON'T disbelieve Spike & Gizmo!

My system finds & tracks 'runs / trends' & bets accordingly but through mathamatical reasoning.
The only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions so my system uses the
past spins to help identify when 'runs' are likely to start & how much to bet on said predictions!

[Spike!]

The only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions>>

Increasing accuracy increases edge, and if you don't have the edge, you don't consistantly win. Edge depends on one thing, bet selection. If you have the edge, progressions are a waste of time.

[A3on47]

I agree with you both, Spike and MiniBaccarat
I don't like progressions as for me they only propose is to make you live in a "dream world", till your progression loss.

The only way to beat roulette is with a really good bet selection.
Ok, most people think "then if I have an edge, I will use a progression to cover my losses" WRONG
If you have an edge just flat bet ! That way you can use BIGGER units as you don't have the risk of a progression, then you win more

The only problem about all this... is to get the edge !
Ahah :p

Regards,
Afonso

[The Spiders Kiss]

More from Ellison:

'A careful analysis of the past table decisions enables the player to foretell future table results with enough precision to reverse the house edge.

So past spins do matter to reading randomness then Spike...its not all about the next single spin?

TSK

[Spike!]

>>If you have an edge just flat bet ! That way you can use BIGGER units as you don't have the risk of a progression, then you win more>>>

Yes. If you have the edge, you control it by flat betting.  A progression is a waste of time.

[Spike!]

So past spins do matter to reading randomness then Spike...>>>

If you don't look at past spins, what is there to read? How do you read anything that isn't already written?

[The Spiders Kiss]

So past spins do matter to reading randomness then Spike...>>>

If you don't look at past spins, what is there to read? How do you read anything that isn't already written?

Then I must have mis-interpreted your previous posts on another Forum....My bad!!  

[MiniBaccarat]

G'day,

I want to recant my statement that I have an 'edge'!

I believe I have but obviously my definition is different to Spike's and others so I
will just take it back and will take a while to work out how to reword my statement.

Glenn.

[Noble Savage]

If you don't look at past spins, what is there to read?

The wheel.

[Spike!]

So if you read the wheel, you don't consider what its just done, then? If you don't look at what the wheel has recently produced, what are you reading?

[Spike!]

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