Regarding Victor's New Forum

[Herb6]

I'm sure everyone here knows by now that there's a new forum that has been started by good old Victor.



In essence, it's theater of the absurd.  It's a forum where the young, naive and inexperienced are trying to develop systems to beat the game of roulette.  The blissfully ignorant are still trying to develop, "just the right, up as you lose progression to win, and people there think you can step outside of probability by waiting for events to become "due" by tracking LWs.



All of this is taking place because of ignorance.  All because they have simply chosen not to read an encyclopedia explaining the history of the game and because they refuse to build on the actual facts that are known about the game and the gaming device.



You guys here on VLS have the opportunity to build methods that really can win by building on the facts that are known about beating the wheel.  Move ahead, rather than tooling around in a fools folly.  Let Victors new forum be the one for the "newbies".  There really are Advantage Play forums on the internet, but Victor's new forum most certainly is not one of them.



When someone states that they are not a "mathboy" they are essentially bragging that they are ignorant and mathematically illiterate.  

-Herb

[Spike!]

Here's a book I recommend for all of them. They can buy it in bulk from Amazon.

[Spike!]

>When someone states that they are not a "mathboy" they are essentially bragging that they are ignorant and mathematically illiterate. >>>

LOL! MY my, can you get any higher on your high horse or your math nose any farther in the air?




Math is OK as far as it goes. You can certainly change it to your favor if you know what you're doing.

[Noble Savage]

- Even if Victor knew Fender is sick-Charles, he wouldn't ban him because his moving there brings in more members.

- System play forums do more harm than good to people who are new to gambling (mainly by sending them in a wild goose chase, a huge waste of time and money which may or may not end, depending on the person's intelligence and learning speed).

- The less public advantage play forums, the better. -Says someone who thinks about the future of AP.

- While ignorance and misinformation is a big factor in creating and sustaining this "theater of the absurd", in the end it remains all a matter of choice. Those involved chose to do what they do, chances are you won't/can't "wise the sucker up".

Just my two chips worth.

[Herb6]

The members of the new forum have no idea what's in store for them.  The forum will be a haven for system scammers like the Numeris and Enigimista guys.  They are the guys that claim that roulette was invented by ancient monks.  (I'm not joking. lol)

Victor is in very tight with these guys.  He is also a member of the Numeris Envoy.  So beware. (FYI, I'm not saying Victor is part of the scam.  However, the envoy is destined to become part of the forum.)

 A few years ago there was an elaborate scam where a member by the name of Gamlet pretended to have the secrets to  win at roulette via a system called the Enigimista.  He would offer hints and claim some of the secrets were hidden in his avatar.  The scam was one where desperate people would offer money to buy additional  hints via email in vein attempts to make the system work.  At the time approx. 75% of the forum took the bait because they were naive, ignorant, or conspiracy minded.

The Numeris Envoy people are currently attempting to turn the Numeris garbage into a full blown cult where members pay to learn the secrets of numerology and the universe.


Steer clear and get educated.  


-Herb

[gizmotron]

- System play forums do more harm than good to people who are new to gambling (mainly by sending them in a wild goose chase, a huge waste of time and money which may or may not end, depending on the person's intelligence and learning speed).

Well there wasn't an internet and there were no valuable books for Roulette when I started. So I made all those mistakes. I lost all that money. At least now there are opportunities to hone your skills and to test your systems without spending real money. I say making all the mistakes is all part of learning to be a crafty and savvy player. Sure, almost everyone wants to get there fast and easy. I'm not sure that is possible. People just have to live through making huge mistakes. Let them crash and burn. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

[Spike!]

The members of the new forum have no idea what's in store for them. <<<

Oh balderdash. Evrybody has to learn the hard way, its the only way. The only way to find what works is to find what doesn't. If you're so concerned with wising up the chumps, Herb, put away your violin and open up a foum of your own and teach them. The problem is, they don't want to be taught, they already know it all. Experience will show them what works and whats junk.

[Steve]

The truth about any forum is no real player would want anything of true value to be published on a public forum - they would want to keep it hush-hush. Strategies that do work have been shared on occasions, but typically the basics - not the real nitty gritty.

I'll make a private section for serious advantage players if they want to discuss and develop methods. It will be strictly by invitation only, and the rest of the group needs to agree to the addition of new members. It'll be in the advantage play section shortly. Will it be a busy section? I think not, but at least it'll be secure board for serious players who want to discuss sensitive topics.

As for Victor's forum, my understanding was it was supposed to all be pre-moderation, and focusing on quality not quantity. It doesn't appear to be turning out that way. How Victor runs his new forum is his business, like how I run my forums is mine. they each cater for different audiences too. But there is just no place for clowns like charles, and/or scammers purely out to sell garbage. However, certainly at the early stage of any forum, it actually does the forum good to have any new content - even if it's pure spewdom. The downside of that though, is you attract that kinda crowd, and there is no quality. Then it becomes a zoo full of dickheads like charles. It's be great if you sell advertising on the site, but it wouldnt be productive for members. But good for advertising or not, I'll never let a forum go "that way".

[Spike!]

 but typically the basics - not the real nitty gritty>>

Nope.



>>by invitation only, and the rest of the group needs to agree to the addition of new members.>>

Hmm. That should be interesting.

You never want to give too much away.

[Noble Savage]

I say making all the mistakes is all part of learning to be a crafty and savvy player. Sure, almost everyone wants to get there fast and easy. I'm not sure that is possible. People just have to live through making huge mistakes. Let them crash and burn. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

I agree with that view.

[Mr J]

"Everybody has to learn the hard way, its the only way. The only way to find what works is to find what doesn't" >>> 100% CORRECT! Its kind of like, 'putting in your time'. If you are NEW to the game, in my opinion, you have a LONG road ahead of you. Ken

[hoper35]

Most might learn the hard way, but it is possible to avoid it. Casinos allow you to watch without playing.

Ron.

[VLS]

Victor is in very tight with these guys.  He is also a member of the Numeris Envoy.  So beware. (FYI, I'm not saying Victor is part of the scam.  However, the envoy is destined to become part of the forum.)

Hello Herb.

The only "scam ()" I am willing to participate about is to devote coding time for other people to have custom testing programs for them to automate the tests they already want to make on a system. And yes, I'm ok with taking money from people that asks me to devote my time to create testing software for them.

Even if the system sucks, it is still my time and it is still creating custom computer software according to a particular person's need and that isn't freeware.

I even registered nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc (soon to open) so my "scam" will be getting some compensation for my coding time

[Steve]

Victor, didnt you know that selling something automatically means you're a scammer? I'm not referring to anyone specifically - it's just the general attitude on roulette forums. Normally though it is actually correct, but people are quick to assume.

[Mr J]

Well, selling bread and milk to the general public does not make one a scammer, I agree with that.  Ken

[Mr J]

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