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Hello guys, I'm a newcomer here to this forums but have been studying Roulette for quite some time.

I present to you my infallible "Holy Grail" Roulette system.

If your description of holy grail means becoming a millionaire with this system, then sadly no it doesn't. 

But what this system does is that I believe it is consistently profitable (And it definitely is quite complex).

The basis of this system is that it uses a long progression(but safe) and the theory is that although mathematicians would always conclude that in the game of roulette has an house edge of 2. 7%, in actual fact you don't systematically lose 2. 7% of your bet every spin of the roulette.

The method is described as follow:

For the "foolproof" method (recommended bankroll 2000 units to 1 unit starting bet)

First we record 2 spins, then we bet 1 unit each on the other 35 spins that doesn't appear.

We use the following progression below.  When a spin hits on one of our bet, we remove that bet, if not we continue betting following the progression table below.  Once we reach 36 spins (excluding the first 2 recording spins), we increase our bet to 2 units for the next spin and etc according to the table.


Progression table


Bet
unit/spins
1    36
2    18
3    12
4    9
5    7
6    6
7    5
8    4
9    4
10    3
11    3
12    3
13    2
14    2
15    2
16    2
17    2
18    2
19    1
20    1   
21    1
22    1
23    1       
24    1
25    1
26    1
27    1       
28    1
29    1
30    1
31    1
32    1
33    1
34    1
35    1
36    1
38    1
40    1
42    1
44    1
46    1
48    1
50    1
52    1
54    1
56    1
58    1
60    1
62    1
64    1
66    1
68    1
70    1
72    1
75    1
78    1
81    1
84    1
87    1
90    1
93    1
96    1
99    1
102  1
105   1
108   1
112   1
116   1
120    1
124    1
128    1
132    1
136    1
140    1
144    1
   
The trick is we will be restarting the whole progression every time we are at a new "high balance".

Example:

So for example, we record the first 2 spins to be 37,8.  we place 1 unit bet on the 35 numbers.  The next spin we hit number 9.  So we gain +1 profit, and would be considered a new "balance high".  This happens very often and you might find yourself gaining +1 profit 15 times in a row or more.

Continuing the example, we bet on all 35 numbers excluding 8,9 since its the most recent 2 numbers.  if the next number comes out either 8 or 9, we lose -35 and continue betting the 35 numbers and remove a bet if a number falls on it. 

If the next spins come out as 32,16,22,24,3,29,34,7.  All of them hit our bets and we gain profits accordingly +1,+2,+3,+4,+5,+6,+7,+8= +36.  So we are at a new high balance of +1, so we restart the whole progression again.

This is the most foolproof method.  The profits are slow but it can be considered a "holy grail".  However, if one wants it to be a more profitable session, one can restart the progression after a new balance high of +50 (I recommend +50), so only restarting the progression when +50 profits are reached instead of +1.

I know the above might be confusing to some.  I would be here to answer any queries.  Try practicing this on roulette x'treme or any other simulators to get a feel of it and tell me the results if you do.

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Holy Grail system is that one which never lose. Semi Holy Grail system is that one which wins always in long run.
Your could fit in semi HG category. A visual example with betting ca 20 spins would be a good idea to clear the confusion. I like the idea. How do you use the progression posted above? Again, example would be the best teaching.
The idea is not far away from Kamikaze Sylvia.
Cheers Hermes
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Hi Hermes, don't mind if you give me a set of numbers(at least 50 spins)and i'll show you how to apply this method exactly.

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Hi RouletteFantastic,

Your Method sounds clear to me.  But did not get your progression. Below are the 50 numbers for your explanation.

25
5
0
31
33
20
31
10
25
23
4
35
35
35
12
25
35
25
32
20
35
34
29
16
30
22
0
11
27
19
7
31
30
3
5
18
6
32
20
9
29
28
29
14
15
36
27
0
33
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Hi Allin, this is your sample showed to 42 spins, cause if I continued I have to go into another progression and there isn't enough spins to continue.  This is using the most foolproof safe method, sorry for table being slanted. .


Spins     Number    Profit      Numbers played
1      25                       record
2      5                       record
3      0      +1         play all numbers except 25,5
4      31      +1         play all numbers except 0,5
5      33      +1         play all numbers except 31,0
6      20      +1             etc.  .  . 
7      31      +1
8      10      +1
9      25      +1
10      23      +1
11      4      +1
12      35      +1  
13      35      -35       loss 35 units, start of progression.   re-bet all numbers except 35,4 with 1 unit. 
14      35      -35       loss again.   re-bet same numbers with 1 unit. 
15      12      +1        number hit, remove bet number 12, bet remaining 34 numbers with 1 unit each. 
16      25      +2        number hit, remove bet number 25, bet remaining 33 numbers with 1 unit each. 
17      35      +3                 etc.  .  . 
18      25      -32        loss of 32 units as number 25 reappeared, re-bet same 32 numbers with 1 unit each
19      32      +4          number hit, remove bet number 32, bet remaining 31 numbers 1 unit each. 
20      20      +5          number hit remove bet number 20, bet remaining 30 numbers 1 unit each
21      35      -30         loss of 30 units, re-bet 1 unit each for those 30 numbers. 
22      34      +7             etc.  .  . 
23      29      +8
24      16      +9
25      30      +10
26      22      +11
27      0      +12
28      11      +13
29      27      +14
30      19      +15
31      7      +16
32      31      +17 we are at new BR high, profits from spin 13 onwards> then loses, so restart progression
33      30      +1    bet on all 35 numbers 1 unit each, exclude 31,7. 
34      3      +1    etc.  . 
35      5      +1
36      18      +1
37      6      +1
38      32      +1
39      20      +1
40      9      +1
41      29      +1
42      28      +1

Overall profits is +35units.   In this case you look, we don't even pass the first stage of progression table and we are at a new high.   If we do not reach an overall high from spin 13 onwards, we increase remaining bets to 2 units from spin 49 onwards (13+36).   and so on.  . 

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Hi Ailin, now using the more "riskier" but profitable approach, the method is the same, only we reset the whole progression after a high balance of at least +50 is reached.

Spins      Number    Profit

1      25      
2      5      
3      0      1
4      31      2
5      33      3
6      20      4
7      31      5
8      10      6
9      25      -29
10      23      7
11      4      8
12      35      9
13      35      -26
14      35      -26
15      12      10
16      25      -25
17      35      -25
18      25      -25
19      32      11
20      20      12
21      35      -23
22      34      13
23      29      14
24      16      15
25      30      16
26      22      17
27      0      -18
28      11      18
29      27      19
30      19      20
31      7      21
32      31      -14
33      30      -14
34      3      22
35      5      -13
36      18      23
37      6      24      high balance goal of at least +50 is reached, in this case +62
38      32      1
39      20      1
40      9      1
41      29      1
42      28      1

In this case +67 units of profit is reached in 42 spins.  :good:

Any more questions or doubts just ask me.  And if someone can code this and test in for long run, i'm up for the challenge.

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So basically you want all, if not, most numbers to appear within 179 spins, and if you get on ANY kind of a run, your balance will reach a new high point.  Then start over.

I like the theory behind it, but just 1 loss of that progression would be killer.  I guess there is no way around that.  The only way I see, is to start the whole thing betting 24 numbers.  Maybe that can curb your progression a bit.  

Great system anyhow!

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Thank you for your kind comments.  I'm working on another system that uses a similar principle but is more practical/profitable.  Will update once I finalized on it.

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Allin

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Thanks RouletteFantastic.

First few sessions are ok, but few times it could not recover. I guess we need to have stoploss limit and shorter playing sessions to aviod risks

Big NO to RNG.

Regards

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Allin, Did you play through the progression table? I would be very surprised if in 179 spins you don't hit a number to recover the initial bankroll. 

Anyway thanks.

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Roulette Fanatic,

Tested this method for a while.  Was up around 450 units in about 500 spins, which is good.  But then, I hit a run from hell, which is to be expected at some point.

Hen you get a bad streak, you get so below your previous high that there is almost no way to get to new high.  At some point you only play five or six numbers.  Eventually it is only a couple.  Even if you hit at this point, you are still a long way out of profit.

It is not uncommon for the same twelve numbers to keep repeating for some 25 or 30 spins.  When this happens, you are really screwed.

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Quote from: insidebet  link=topic=16416. msg111079#msg111079 date=1275836412
Roulette Fanatic,

Tested this method for a while.   Was up around 450 units in about 500 spins, which is good.   But then, I hit a run from hell, which is to be expected at some point.

Hen you get a bad streak, you get so below your previous high that there is almost no way to get to new high.   At some point you only play five or six numbers.   Eventually it is only a couple.   Even if you hit at this point, you are still a long way out of profit.

It is not uncommon for the same twelve numbers to keep repeating for some 25 or 30 spins.   When this happens, you are really screwed.

Insidebet

Hi thanks, insidebet.  Looks like I have to come out with a better system. .  :-\

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Yes, eventually you will get down to betting on 8-12 "sleeper" numbers.  We all know from this point, that a straight progression will not work.  Especially when you have a large amount to recover.  Unlike many we have seen before, this progression actually gets weaker as you go along because your chances of a winning spin decrease.  I might want to consider a range to play this technique.  How about starting at 24 "sleeper" numbers?  And playing your way for 20-30 spins .... max?  That way you give it enough time to recover and you need a lot smaller bankroll.

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Quote from: keel44 link=topic=16416. msg111089#msg111089 date=1275840486
Yes, eventually you will get down to betting on 8-12 "sleeper" numbers.   We all know from this point, that a straight progression will not work.   Especially when you have a large amount to recover.   Unlike many we have seen before, this progression actually gets weaker as you go along because your chances of a winning spin decrease.   I might want to consider a range to play this technique.   How about starting at 24 "sleeper" numbers?  And playing your way for 20-30 spins . . . .  max?  That way you give it enough time to recover and you need a lot smaller bankroll.

Thanks keel nice suggestion, i will try it went im free. .

 

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