Why Noone can win with VB nowdays

[Jean-Claud]

Hello I will now explain to u fully why nowdays we can t win with VB and Rcs.(I am very expirienced in VB anmd I also have 3 Rcs)

1)The Tilt  is Very rare
2)The tilt is very light
3)The balls are very LIGHT and the resault is NO pattern in Scatter
4)The frets are very LOW profile and the resault is NO pattern in Scatter
5)after we have made our adjastements the CONDITIONS(tilt,Ball timmings,scatter,observatiion points) can change at anytime of the game

Even if not all the above will happen

6) The dealer or the pitboss or the eyes from the sky will imediatelly understand what we are doing because
a)We are looking in the wheel in every spin
b)We are betting late(after the spin of the ball)
c)we are betting neibours
d)we are winning in a better rate of the odds

So they will imediatelly do these things
a)Change the Rotor speed dramatically(so all will be lost...because even if we would be able to folow the Strike point,The scatter will be MESSED UP!)
b)say NMB quite early

so my ambitious future VB players did u understood?


VB was a way to make MILLIONS before the 90s.....and this is because the wheels and the balls had the correct/desired conditions and the Casinos wasn t so aware of the wheel watchers.

Now all u have to do is play randomly.

[buffalowizard]

Did you used to play VB before the 90's JC?

cheers

[Kelly]

I can`t say i totally agree.

1. Yes the tilts are not so extreme anymore, but they are there in light versions. = more tracking
2. The balls are actually not lighter, they just look that way when they bounce.
3. There are more and more often no scatter pattern, but usually there IS a pattern. = more tracking
4. The most annoying thing is frequent dealer changes, here in San Remo Italy every 15 minutes = different dealer MO
5. If you use laurances system 2 or 3 quick glances is enough, you can do that while you make a cover bet. = no staring
6. There are ways to bet that camouflages that you are betting neighbours. It takes a bit off the edge but its better than to be cut off completely
7. Make sure you follow the above rules and don`t give them any reason to rewind the tapes and they will let you play on and win to some extent.

[Nathan Detroit]

Kelly,

Did  " snowman " discuss the newest wheels  from "H"  which he  had just  located in AC   and possibly LV too.. According to him they are very  VB player friendly .

You might better of by  contacting him directly  rather than discussing this matter in an open forum.

The enemy might be listening in . Feind hoert mit

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[pihh]

can you at leat predict where in wich half of the table the ball is going to land with some accuracy?

[macedonianroulette1]

AirBall(automated roulette) has the most "VB-friendly" wheels. . .
Even Steve(GW) one said that airball is even easier to beat despite the constant changing of rotor and ball speed
This does not affect the outcome even if the wheel has a slight tilt. . . . I realised that 1 year ago. . . . LOL
Try AirBall you wont regret. . . . Avoid ALFA STREET. .
Regards,
Macedonian

[Steve]

No not always is auto roulette easier. All methods depend on the wheel and they are all different, including automated wheels. Just in my experience, overall, automated wheels are easier to beat. There is more to it than just wheel design, scatter etc. But there certainly are automated wheels where you woudnt bother.

I dont agree with Jean-Claud - he is just speaking of conditions he has encountered. The computers he has (foresters) only do what basic VB does - they do nothing for scatter or changing conditions, which is why he likens the computers to vb play. In any event, if your vb approach (computer or actual vb) is simplistic, then it will be very difficult to find suitable conditions.

Macedonian, actually alfa street have done very well for my players. About a year ago they updated a lot of their wheels as they were too easy to beat. It was not an update of the wheel design, but rather what the wheel actually did. In around half the cases it did make things much more difficult, but the wheel designers do not appear to fully understand what is making the wheels vulnerable. Even Cammegh's wheels where the rotor speed changes after no more bets is called does NOT make the wheel unbeatable, and on my player only forum I gave full details of why, and players still beat them. It may not make sense with traditional advantage play, but you need to understand the relationship between the variables and how they affect each other, and what happens in the long term.

On the whole certainly wheels are not as easy to beat as they were 10 years ago. But while real wheels exist, and while they are managed by staff who rarely do their job properly, there will likely always be sufficient opportunities around for professional players.

[macedonianroulette1]

to find suitable conditions.

Macedonian, actually alfa street have done very well for my players.  About a year ago they updated a lot of their wheels as they were too easy to beat.  It was not an update of the wheel design, but rather what the wheel actually did.  In around half the cases it did make things much more difficult, but the wheel designers do not appear to fully understand what is making the wheels vulnerable.  Even Cammegh's wheels where the rotor speed changes after no more bets is called does NOT make the wheel unbeatable, and on my player only forum I gave full details of why, and players still beat them.  It may not make sense with traditional advantage play, but you need to understand the relationship between the variables and how they affect each other, and what happens in the long term.

On the whole certainly wheels are not as easy to beat as they were 10 years ago.  But while real wheels exist, and while they are managed by staff who rarely do their job properly, there will likely always be sufficient opportunities around for professional players.

Yes Steve I agree. . . I opened a thread on RF on this topic,but it seems that there are few that truly understand VB. . . .
So i stated in the thread that a player should always look for a wheel with weaknesses that i have stated on the thread. . .
Yes they were easier to beat 10 years ago,but in Macedonia there are still a 50 or 100 wheels
through the country(small country LOL) that are from the old designs(Gold Club,Ane Elektronik etc. . . )
so i'm milking those until they change it. . .
Regarding alfa street i don't suggest VB players that havent played this kind of AirBall to play it because
the alfa wheels have much more levels of scatter than the old ones. . . .
Example:The ball drops into drop zone,scatters ,then makes another two,three or four revolutions then land into pocket. . . . I'm sure your alfa players have told you that. . . .
I have a lot of experience in Alfa Street and thats why i left my email so players can contact me so i can share my
experience. . .
Anyway i think i've played on a same table with one of your players in Viena,Austria(i'm not sure)but the guy showed
very high ratio of hits with only 6 - 7 number arches and i knew that he must be STEVE's school. . . . very good. . . .
He was complaining about the scatter though. . .
Regards,
Macedonian
P. S.  Any news or updates on your devices?

[Steve]

Any news or updates on your devices?

There is always news but it depends what you want to know.

Also scatter is not what most people believe. If you call scatter whatever happens after the ball leaves the ball track, then yes scatter can kill play completely. But if you account for different ball behavior on different rotor speeds, and WHERE the ball is likely to fall from the ball track, scatter isnt so scary. In my last support meeting, the scatter was so bad that we barely got any edge with the computer's basic settings - it wouldnt have been worth playing. But then we used one of the advanced features and what was a almost unbeatable scatter turned into 90% hit rate covering 15 numbers like what is shown in the public video demo.

[macedonianroulette1]

Steve i'm convinced now and was convinced before that your device works. . .
Regarding those Alfa Street players can you please tell me is there anyone from the balkans or eastern europe. . .
I am asking this because i want to know how do they manage to hide the device or camouflage it cause it's very
dangerous here if they catch you with a device like that. . . . I'm considering to buy one now that i've understood
the techniques,but it's much easier with a device. . . I mean you can play several chosen wheels in one day. . LOL
For updates i was regarding to the prices for the device and is there a new improved version of the phone since last year. . .
Regards,
Macedonian

[macedonianroulette1]

Almost forgot,can you atach the video with the alfa street wheel. . . .

[Steve]

Here is a video of my older version computer beating an automated Alfastreet wheel:
nolinks://nolinks.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/alfa.wmv

That computer is now the equivalent (or close to) of the Lite computer explained at nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm but the Uber and Hybrid versions are far more capable.

[macedonianroulette1]

where are the prices listed?

[macedonianroulette1]

and does every one of the devices camera must be aimed at the wheel,or is it just using the thumper

[Nathan Detroit]

What are the dimensions  of  this  device? Just   being  curious.

Thanks !

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY  WINNINGS

[Nathan Detroit]

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