Past numbers have *NOTHING* to do with future events?

[Mr J]

30 x 38 = 1,140 would be the total number of spins.

"My numbers would be 1, 2, 3" >>> (?) Not unless I say so, I choose your numbers for the challenge. Basically it comes down to this.... after the 25 spins, I would choose 3 numbers with 2 hits on them as part of my 3. I would choose 3 numbers with no hits on them as part of YOUR 3. I feel I would have the advantage over a 30 group test. Some say they agree with me. Some say they dont. The thing that kills me, some that agree with me (an advantage) ALSO say that past numbers mean nothing for future events. They are on both sides of the fence.  Ken

[Kelly]

Fair enough, try it out.  The settings are described and you can basicly do it alone. There will be situations where you will have both more or less than 3 numbers, if you can set an MO for these situations, its just a matter of doing it. To avoid selected permanenzes, try pick the first daily 37 numbers of a specific table of a specific month, say June, at casino Wiesbaden where all numbers can be verified. But like i said, anything can happen. If June comes out in your favour, try July afterwards and don`t be afraid to go in details in case you have 1 day with 12 hits or 1 day with 0 hits. Its fluctations like that that can scew the picture short term.

[Herb6]

This is basically how everyone feels about Mr. JJJ, aka KJ smooth, aka Mr J (Ken) on the Wizardofvegasforum.

I'm glad you get your amusements here. I can no longer tell whose speaking, what your point is, or where you are going. Your ability to communicate clearly is lacking, as is your ability to read communications that have repeatedly and clearly pointed out your logical fallacies. You cherry pick statements with no attribution, change tack and fail to pose a clean coherent argument, and then make ad homininem attacks instead of answering your critics. Whenever someone gives you an answer you don't like, you ignore it, or type "lol" as if it means anything useful.

In short, you are pointless waste of time to discuss this with, and your making a great troll, whether you know it or not. I'd prefer to debate politics with the right of the Republican party than try and discuss a subject in which you show a laughable lack of even the most basic knowledge of. At least in politics there is are shades of grey in the answer.

You're wasting your time, time you could be testing new roulette methods or even actually widening your wallet at the casino.

(edited for bad grammar and spelling mistooks (sic))

[Mr J]

Now at 6 posts from Herb/Snowman/Keyser. Do I hear 7?  Will you answer any of my questions from this thread?  Ken

[pins]

its pure chance. you throw the ball it will hit all places on the wheel .sometimes it will hit the same place  no mystery
take it from me past numbers have no bearing on where the ball will land. it is more unlikely to land in the same place twice. in a row.  when you play roulette. you like to think the past numbers have a meaning. i thionk no19 haas played no12 should follow. i win . now i am convinced there is some meaning in the past results. go to the casino only play the 19 when 12 plays or vice versa.will you come home a winner, try it out with your own numbers.good luck.

[Mr J]

I'm making one (copy/paste) statement so I dont have to re-do it on the other 7 boards. lol Yes, I do think that past numbers CAN assist us in future betting. All of us may not have the same definition of 'future'. It could mean 3 spins later or maybe 200 spins later, I dont know. Anyways, a person can not have BOTH of these views. If you think you do, let me know.


A) Past numbers mean NOTHING, they are of NO USE. Even those first 25 spins like I mentioned for the challenge. The past means NOTHING !!

B) It is an unfair challenge Ken. After those first 25 spins, I pick MY 3 numbers for 13 spins (2 hits on them) and I pick YOUR 3 numbers (0 hits on them) for 13 spins (flat betting). A trial of 30 times, 38 numbers per.

(Sidenote: I am not talking about any form of a bias wheel, cough)

You can pick either 'A' or 'B'..... Not both and not 'C'. Sorry if this bothers some people, I won't lose sleep over it. My point of all this? I have posted that answer but I'll do it again. Many, many posters have bickered and complained regarding using past numbers. Thats cool with me, I have ZERO issue with that unless.....you ALSO choose 'B'. At least I stay consistent, I dont change my answer after viewing OTHER answers first, just so I fit in with the crew.

At least I have the balls to post something, knowing AHEAD OF TIME, will get sour posts in return. Lets be honest, are there some posters that feel there are different versions of 'past numbers'? If so, do tell. Would someone say, those first 25 spins are NOT part of the 'past' but maybe 150 spins ago, that is the 'past'? Just curious. Ken

[Mr J]

Sometime soon, Herb will reply...."Thats Ken, he's like an apple that made us all sad". (Something real witty from the guy  )  Ken

[bombus]

Past numbers do not, never have, and never will influence future numbers – no way - period!

They do however influence where every player, almost to a man, places their next bet.

There is no denying it. Whether you use VB, situational awareness, mechanical systems, strategic methods, educated guessing, precognition, or even random choices, your next bet will be influenced by the preceding results for the wheel you are presently playing.

In brief this can result in a period of winning, or a period of losing. Accurately predicting whether or not the next period (whatever that is for you) will be one of winning or one of losing is the "Golden Goose" of roulette.

Forget the Holy Grail, give me the Golden Goose!

[Mr J]

I'll put you down as 'A' answer for Bombus.  At least you answered, I'll take it.  Its like pulling teeth.  Ken

[gizmotron]

In brief this can result in a period of winning, or a period of losing. Accurately predicting whether or not the next period (whatever that is for you) will be one of winning or one of losing is the "Golden Goose" of roulette.

Forget the Holy Grail, give me the Golden Goose!

That's logical. Funny, all losing periods include many lost bets. Stands to reason that you need to deal with that some how.

[John Gold]

Many years ago, I did a lot of research trying to find a way to exploit hot numbers and the law of the third.  It certainly had me going around in circles.  One thing this testing proved is how unreliable anything is in roulette.
Mr J, you can't guarantee in any sample of 37/38 spins that any number will appear 3 times.  There are many times when you will get a lot of numbers just appearing twice.  The problem with chasing them is twofold, the bets escalate quickly with the more numbers you are forced to play and the bet itself becomes impractical to play because of the time constraints in placing a bet.
It seems to me that you are basing this whole debate on something which you can't guarantee will happen in any 37/38 spins.  Of course it is logical to say that for a number to hit 3 times, it must have appeared twice before, but I don't see how you can use any of this information to gain any kind of edge.

[Mr J]

"Mr J, you can't guarantee in any sample of 37/38 spins that any number will appear 3 times" >>> Yep, I know. This question has nothing to do with creating a method. I am referring to 30 groups of 38, not just one group. If you had to pick A or B John Gold, which one?  Ken

[John Gold]

Having spent time thinking about it, put me down for an A.

[Mr J]

Thank you sir, much appreciated. I do have an announcement >>> This thread question by FAR, is one of the best I have ever come up with and there have been many. I have a bunch of As, a bunch of Bs, a couple who think they can have both and MANY that will not attach their name to an answer for whatever reason (multiple message boards)  Ken

[Mr J]

rdw4potus (Wizards site, page 12)has stated >>>

"If the number has hit twice in the last 25 times, the odds that it will hit in the next 13 spins is 1-(37/38)^13 = .292974.

If the number has hit 24 times in the last 25 spins, the odds that it will hit on the next spin is still 1/38. AND THE ODDS THAT IT WILL HIT IN THE NEXT 13 SPINS IS 1-(37/38)^13=.292974.

The past spins have absolutely nothing to do with the odds that a number will hit in the future. Not at all. Not even a little bit".

<<< He and OTHERS have stated this, no problem. They are saying, regardless of the first 25 spins, NO NUMBER FOR ANY REASON, has a more likely chance of hitting in those next 13 spins. For those that disagree (thats the majority), why have those posters not addressed those claims? They only go straight to MY posts to slam? Hmmm, interesting.  Ken

[Mr J]

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